What a move!

[BlueSky]

If the opposition parties vote in favour of this Flaherty plan (to cut subsidies for all parties at $1.95 per vote) they lose. If they vote against the bill and defeat the government, they essentially hand the Conservatives a majority in the next election, and they lose and if they abstain from the vote, they lose. Yet I cannot believe the opposition parties will actually force us into another election, 1 week before Christmas!

[Limitations]

If the opposition parties vote in favour of this Flaherty plan (to cut subsidies for all parties at $1.95 per vote) they lose. If they vote against the bill and defeat the government, they essentially hand the Conservatives a majority in the next election, and they lose and if they abstain from the vote, they lose. Yet I cannot believe the opposition parties will actually force us into another election, 1 week before Christmas!

In my opinion this is a Topic that needs attention.

Only moments before seeing it I had been trying to understand the present Federal Parliamentarian dilemma.

I had first become aware of it through reading and hearing News Reporting.

Though neither gave me a clear enough understanding of the situation I chose to THINK more for myself.

There is a definite lack of reliable leadership by the person who is appointed to the responsibilities that go with the Title _ "GOVERNOR GENERAL" _ .

My motive is not to harm yet rather to try to raise awareness to the importance of the purpose and responsibilities that go with the Title.

I am not suggesting that there are not aggravating factors coming from within all the parties.

Neither am I implying that I think you are forced to agree with me.

Ms. Marisa Belsito

[CrowellPhotographs]

Well, unless the governor general allows the official opposition to form a government. (which will never happen)

I still don't understand why the conservatives will be given a majority by voters.
I still vividly remember Harper's promise of no deficit, looks like it will be.
His solutions which are not very well advertised in the coverage of this event are to remove the right of public servants to strike, sell off billions of dollars of crown assets(real estate, ya, sell the tv to pay the cable bill because you're temporarily short on cash), no stimulus package...

It's another partisan move. Should our prime minister be busy fighting for future elections instead of just running our country right??

The worst part is that none of this would be necessary if he hadn't dropped the GST. Another vote buying move which only really saves big business money and costs the government billions.

[BlueSky]

If the opposition forces an election, I suspect the electorate will punish them by sending them all into oblivion this next round. If it is a partisan move, and even if it is a bad one (and tell me, when is a move by a political party NOT a partisan move>) it is a brilliant one. No matter which way the opposition moves, they lose.

[CrowellPhotographs]

This is the problem. He's more concerned with making brilliant partisan moves (nothing to do with right or left wing agendas. He's ONLY thinking about elections. I do have to disagree that despite politicians always having elections in the back of their minds, it shouldn't be the ONLY concern when running our country. They way I see it, he's now wasting taxpayer time and money running an election within the house, and using his authority to try and ruin our political parties, not beat them. SHAMEFUL. He seems to forget that despite wining, the majority of Canada didn't vote conservative and doesn't want his plans or ideals. Why is he still trying to force them down our throats without compromise? This isn't democratic. It's a political dictatorship.

[BlueSky]

"This is the problem. He's more concerned with making brilliant partisan moves (nothing to do with right or left wing agendas. He's ONLY thinking about elections."

How do you know this? You would have to be an insider to know the motives of a man's heart.

[BlueSky]

This is the problem. He's more concerned with making brilliant partisan moves (nothing to do with right or left wing agendas. He's ONLY thinking about elections. I do have to disagree that despite politicians always having elections in the back of their minds, it shouldn't be the ONLY concern when running our country. They way I see it, he's now wasting taxpayer time and money running an election within the house, and using his authority to try and ruin our political parties, not beat them. SHAMEFUL. He seems to forget that despite wining, the majority of Canada didn't vote conservative and doesn't want his plans or ideals. Why is he still trying to force them down our throats without compromise? This isn't democratic. It's a political dictatorship.

Crowell, this works both ways. Chretien introduced this kind of funding, to give the then liberal party an advantage, no?
But when the shoe is on the other foot... it's partisan, it's unfair, woe is me..

[Limitations]

[QUOTE=CrowellPhotographs;372117]Well, unless the governor general allows the official opposition to form a government. (which will never happen)

I still don't understand why the conservatives will be given a majority by voters.
I still vividly remember Harper's promise of no deficit, looks like it will be.
His solutions which are not very well advertised in the coverage of this event are to remove the right of public servants to strike, sell off billions of dollars of crown assets(real estate, ya, sell the tv to pay the cable bill because you're temporarily short on cash), no stimulus package...

It's another partisan move. Should our prime minister be busy fighting for future elections instead of just running our country right??

The worst part is that none of this would be necessary if he hadn't dropped the GST. Another vote buying move which only really saves big business money and costs the government billions.[QUOTE]




LENGTHY NEEDED WORTHWHILE READING


I noted reporting on SooNews this morning that concerns me.

It resulted in valid reason to wonder about it's SOURCE and WHY such was put in a Press Release.

There has been no reason to conclude that Ms. Jean entitled and entrusted with "Governor General " OFFICIAL PAID WORK would be so immature, irresponsible and wayward in CHARACTER.

I am referring to reporting alleging, in not the exact following words, that she could be thinking to ask the apparent three other Official Parties to form the part of GOVERNMENT with OFFICIAL AUTHORITY.

That would then result in the removal of Mr. Harper and the officiating AUTHORITY of the CONSERVATIVE PARTY which would invalidate the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

One of her main RESPONSIBILITIES is to ensure that CANADA always has someone with the TITLE OF PRIME MINISTER which includes the RESPONSIBILITIES entrusted to that person that go with that OFFICIAL PAID WORK.

That is part of how the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS is organized within the CANADIAN SYSTEM.

It is understandable why there would have been TRADITIONAL RADIO reporting included related to the possibility of an early FEDERAL ELECTION.

However, it is wise though to also question WHO is it's original SOURCE.

I would like to encourage everyone within a reasonable level of growth to want to understand and admit that perpetuting, condoning or enabling the "going around in a circle" (MIND GAMES) mentality is SOCIETAL DESTRUCTIVE to CANADA .

In addition that DOWNHILL DIRECTION serves no good purpose neither in the GLOBAL sense.

An EARLY ELECTION is absolutely not part of the SOLUTION and would cause CANADIAN GOVERNANCE to become a PUBLIC SPECTACLE quickly LOSING more of whatever amount FAITH, CONFIDENCE or CREDIBILITY is left in any of them.

Neither is a no-confidence vote by an apparent plan for a coalition between the Liberals and NDP to try to remove the AUTHORITY of the CONSERVATIVES.


The following is a comparable example though within different circumstances including the Level of Governance.

I would like to raise your attention to what happened in l996 here in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, Canada.

However many of the local COUNCIL of that timeframe voted to allowed, Mr. Fratesi to manipulate his CAO title and income.

A real CONFLICT OF INTEREST resulted in valid serious Violation(s) of the MUNICIPAL ACT that included the right application from within the CANADIAN CHARTER of RIGHTS and FREEDOMS.

Two local residents of that timeframe at some point after filed LEGAL ACTION against him that resulted in conviction(s) and sentencing with certain conditions and restrictions.

I was pleased that the Judicial Authority did not violate the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS by completely superseding it.

Neither did I agree with the prosecution due to innocent and/or deliberate immature voters who through the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS voted him in more than once.


In summary the SUCCESS of the Local, Provincial and Federal SYSTEM of CANADIAN DEMOCRACY involves very much how many GOOD PEOPLE are in the City, Province and COUNTRY.

My firmness regarding the TRUTH of the Issues is not in the least to force neither personal or collective agreement.

In case of grammatical errors impeding legibility or your comprehension only decent attention to them are welcomed by me.

Ms. Marisa Belsito

[CrowellPhotographs]

"This is the problem. He's more concerned with making brilliant partisan moves (nothing to do with right or left wing agendas. He's ONLY thinking about elections."

How do you know this? You would have to be an insider to know the motives of a man's heart.

It certainly doesn't take insider information, it takes simple analysis of the actions. Hmm.... The conservatives are currently the richest party by far.(known fact as there is a required accountability of funds) the other parties are now either broke or in debt. So what does Harper do? Make a power move forcing a bunch of stuff down everyone's throats as well as removing the funding to his opposition. Every political analyst around agrees that this is a completely PARTISAN move having nothing to do with the country's greater good.


"Crowell, this works both ways. Chretien introduced this kind of funding, to give the then liberal party an advantage, no?
But when the shoe is on the other foot... it's partisan, it's unfair, woe is me.."


????????????????? What are you talking about????????? not Another misinterpretation of the sponsorship scandal I hope. We're talking about a prime minister changing LAWS to remove his opponents from being able to represent the political ideals of CANADIANS!!!!!!!!!!! If the other parties go bankrupt and disappear, who will represent the left wing voters of canada. Who will represent their voices and opinions. This is one of the most despicable and undemocratic moves ever. With no more funding to start up, he's also removed the possibility of start-up parties. CREATING A MONOPOLY. This is one of the largest abuses of position ever seen in Canada.... And you're defending it. Obviously I'm not conservative, but I would be arguing like this even if the shoe where on the other foot and it where the conservatives in jeopardy of disappearing because of the same conditions. Funny how you are not commenting on removing the right to strike from public servants or the selling of assets to pay the bills. Just the partisan BS.
Canada needs to wake up, this man would do anything to win an election and I've yet to see him do a damn thing right for Canadians instead of for himself. Again, THE MAJORITY OF CANADA DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM.

[BlueSky]

Of course you are arguing from your partisan point of view. So far, I think Harper is the best thing that has happened to Canada in quite awhile! And I'd be arguing this if the shoe were on the other foot! (And if you believe that...)

[CrowellPhotographs]

Of course you are arguing from your partisan point of view. So far, I think Harper is the best thing that has happened to Canada in quite awhile! And I'd be arguing this if the shoe were on the other foot! (And if you believe that...)

I don't understand your point. (seriously) Argue what if the shoe were on the other foot? What I am arguing is that I don't feel that any prime minister has the right to use his position to ruin his opposition. I don't care who the party in power is. That's just wrong. Like I said, he's removing the voice of the majority of Canada from politics. How is this supposed to be a democratic country and process if one party kills the others and we're left with a 1 party system. It's comparable to a bloodless coup.

As for harper being the best thing that has happened to Canada, I'd LOVE to hear what he has done. PLEASE. Policy? Direction? Crisis management? Representing the people? Human rights? PLEASE, I'm dying to know what good he's done.

[The Piper]

THE MAJORITY OF CANADA DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM.(Harper)

Here here!!

So far, I think Harper is the best thing that has happened to Canada in quite awhile!

Right! We didn't need that extra 300million$$$ that was floating around just waiting to be spent on something useful...like an election that changed what...nothing? I'm guessing you're more of a "Reformer" than a "Conservative" aren't you.

[Limitations]

There is no doubt in me that Mr. Harper is not proving himself capable at this point, in time, to handle all the work that has been entrusted to him, in his Official Leadership capacity.

Neither an early Election nor or any upcoming one without needed CHANGE of PRIMARY importance within the Country is going to make any REAL difference of enough substance.

The results will simply be more deteriorating ones within the___ Downhill Direction___ for those, in or out of the System, choosing to continue to go the Wrong Way.

That of course, directly, affects the true success of the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

Ms. Marisa Belsito

[BlueSky]

O no! She is starting to use Upper Case.

[Soundbear]

I find it interesting to roundly condemn Harper who, in fact, has not yet had the majority to put through his own plans.

IF he got a majority and IF his ideas screwed up the country after four or five years, then I wouldn't vote for him again either.

[Limitations]

[QUOTE=BlueSky;372269]O no! She is starting to use ......

Indeed and it has yet to get your respectful attention to the Upper Direction !

(lololol)

(not mockery nor hatred)


Ms. Marisa Belsito

[BlueSky]

Geez, someone's grouchy today...

Can we expect you to start locking threads as a result of your bad mood again?

You can't tell the difference between being a grouch and light banter? No wonder your values are messed up!

[CrowellPhotographs]

I don't understand your point. (seriously) Argue what if the shoe were on the other foot? What I am arguing is that I don't feel that any prime minister has the right to use his position to ruin his opposition. I don't care who the party in power is. That's just wrong. Like I said, he's removing the voice of the majority of Canada from politics. How is this supposed to be a democratic country and process if one party kills the others and we're left with a 1 party system. It's comparable to a bloodless coup.

As for harper being the best thing that has happened to Canada, I'd LOVE to hear what he has done. PLEASE. Policy? Direction? Crisis management? Representing the people? Human rights? PLEASE, I'm dying to know what good he's done.

I'm still curious about why harper is the "best thing to happen to Canada". Anything?

Barry, he shouldn't be able to force thru his plans as the majority of Canada doesn't agree with him. That's democracy in action.
Unfortunately, despite this he has still tried to ram anything he feels down our throats while going against the will of the majority of the population of the country he represents with no willingness to compromise.

I personally don't understand why we need him to ruin the country first, then not vote for him. He's hardly done the bidding of Canadians as it is, I couldn't imagine what would happen with absolute power.

Again, no comment from any harper supporter on at least how disgusting this new development of using his office to pass laws with the only justification being to assassinate the other parties. I'd like to hear how this is somehow acceptable? As I had said, as much as I don't support the conservatives, I would find it an absolute travesty if it where them in this position. Canadians need a voice, this seems to be the worst case of "shoot the messenger" in politics. Also, nothing about the irresponsible selling off of assets to pay a bill, or the removal of the right to strike from public servants.

Yup, he's great for Canadians.

[Limitations]

I find it interesting to roundly condemn Harper who, in fact, has not yet had the majority to put through his own plans.

IF he got a majority and IF his ideas screwed up the country after four or five years, then I wouldn't vote for him again either.

Just in case of innocent or otherwise confusion and any deliberate or not attempt clouding the clarity of my earliar points, my intent and action as posted on screen has nothing to do with condemnation for Mr. Harper nor anyone.

Facts when imparted for right motive are not about hatred for anyone nor efforts to defame or discredit nor confuse anyone.

My purpose is to impart needed Public Information within the real Spirit of true Justice.

Ms. Marisa Belsito

[Soundbear]

Near as I can tell, Harper isn't doing anything that any other party would do.

Look how often people, including the opposition, kick and scream bloody murder at some measure that a government passes, and then, when in power, the opposition finds some reason to justify keeping that measure going.

Once in power, every party acts pretty much the same. They have to.