Johnoice of reason Manley's

[BlueSky]

Although he's a liberal, he makes a LOT of sense to me. I like this guy.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...specialComment

This is how I wish ALL politicians would sound. He is realistic, and sounds honest.

He gives credit to Harper where it is deserved, he gives credit to the electorate, and he is honest about the failures and shortcomings of the Liberal party. I could vote for a guy like this.

Sorry, I am still half asleep, and totally messed up the title of this thread. it should read John Manley, a Voice of Reason.

[GRUMPY]

When you write that "He gives credit to Harper where it is deserved" is these the parts that you agree with then?

Last week's fiscal update showed the Conservatives had not been listening on election night. Oh, there had been promises that they would engage Parliament in a more constructive and less partisan way, and the Prime Minister looked statesmanlike at the G20 summit in Washington. But in the fiscal update, they abandoned all pretext of multi-partisanship and co-operation and struck at their opponents, leaving them no choice but to vote them down.

Whether this was stupidity, arrogance or an intentional tactic, I cannot say. But to have created a totally avoidable political crisis when the economy was the task at hand was highly irresponsible. This has only become worse in the past week as a government desperate to hold on to power showed itself willing to be reckless on the national unity file. That is one sleeping dog that should be left alone.

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The government must be prevented from running roughshod over the opposition at all times, but especially when the voters have denied them a majority.


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The government needs to drop the ugly rhetoric that it reverted to so quickly and easily so soon after the election. It's not just about winning confidence votes. The confidence of the House of Commons needs to be earned on a daily basis, by being consultative, trustworthy and respectful. Unfortunately, Mr. Harper has put quite a dollop of poison into the well

[Huggy85]

and totally messed up the title of this thread. it should read John Manley, a Voice of Reason.

LOL - I was wondering what a Johnoice is.

[BlueSky]

He refers to Harper as being statesmanlike. He also restrains himself from judgement. He suggests a possibility or two, but withholds judgment. He says "I cannot say." I like that.

Others would have not even mentioned his statesmanlike presence.. and would have just referred to Harper as a hateful divisive fear mongering liar and scoundel.

John Manley is in touch with the people, and he knows that at least, on the world stage, Harper is not embarrassing us.

He just sounds reasoned, and restrained. He's not harsh. At least not relative to the other flame wars we have been witnessing.

[Soundbear]

He refers to Harper as being statesmanlike. He also restrains himself from judgement. He suggests a possibility or two, but withholds judgment. He says "I cannot say." I like that.

Others would have not even mentioned his statesmanlike presence.. John Manley is in touch with the people, and he knows that at least, on the world stage, Harper is not embarrassing us.

He just sounds reasoned, and restrained. He's not harsh. At least not relative to the other flame wars we have been witnessing.

He knows how to talk.

That's all you know for sure.

[BlueSky]

umm, I knew a few other things about John Manley

[Soundbear]

Unfortunately, so do I.

I used to vote liberal.

[GRUMPY]

[QUOTE=BlueSky;375694]He refers to Harper as being statesmanlike. He also restrains himself from judgement.QUOTE]

So let me see if I can understand what you are trying to say. Out of the whole article the only thing he said that could even be considered nice about Harper was "and the Prime Minister looked statesmanlike at the G20 summit in Washington." 12 words out of the whole article and not even the whole sentence you take that as a ringing endorsement of him. However the whole part where he talks negatively about him and the way he governs doesn't register with you at all.

[GRUMPY]

Also there is a big difference between looked statesmanlike and being a statesman.

[GRUMPY]

Unfortunately, so do I.

I used to vote liberal.

thats ok I used to vote conservative.

[BlueSky]

[quote=GRUMPY;375703]

He refers to Harper as being statesmanlike. He also restrains himself from judgement.QUOTE]

So let me see if I can understand what you are trying to say. Out of the whole article the only thing he said that could even be considered nice about Harper was "and the Prime Minister looked statesmanlike at the G20 summit in Washington." 12 words out of the whole article and not even the whole sentence you take that as a ringing endorsement of him. However the whole part where he talks negatively about him and the way he governs doesn't register with you at all.

That's 12 more words than you are able to articulate. You sound like the rest of the rat pack.

PS. I am trying to get used to saying positive things about some liberals I see out there. You're not helping.
I don't want to be Grumpy about it.

[GRUMPY]

I am trying to get used to saying positive things about some liberals I see out there. You're not helping.[/QUOTE]

Well it doesn't help when you post something that is EQUALLY harsh on both sides and then pretend that it is only harsh on the one side and full of praise for the other. While I may write things that are negative about Harper they are at least true and not made up. Anyone who can sit back and write things that say that Harper was the innocent part in all this has to live in a dream world.Here is another bit of reality for you to try and comprehend they were ALL in the wrong for what they either did or what they tried to do. Dion and company for trying to take power,just because it was legal to do so does not mean it was right but a lot of the blame has to be directed at Harper for staring this whole mess to begin with, we the voters (or at least those of us who bothered to vote) spoke on election night and the message was that we expected them to go to Ottawa and work together for the sake of the country in these troubling times and to leave the game playing behind.

[GRUMPY]

"You sound like the rest of the rat pack."

In what way that I won't be gullible and swallow the crap that the conservatives are spouting? I'm sorry but I can think for myself and as far as I'm concerned they are all fools interested in their little games and they don't give a hoot about the real world.

[Huggy85]

we the voters (or at least those of us who bothered to vote) spoke on election night and the message was that we expected them to go to Ottawa and work together for the sake of the country in these troubling times and to leave the game playing behind.

Well said. That is the expectation of a minority government - to minimize power plays and manipulation by the party with the most representatives. Harper either ignored or failed to understand that.

[GRUMPY]

[QUOTE=BlueSky;375723]

That's 12 more words than you are able to articulate. You sound like the rest of the rat pack.

PS. I am trying to get used to saying positive things about some liberals I see out there. You're not helping.
I don't want to be Grumpy about it.

sorry but when you cut and paste YOU don't say a thing Mr Manley said it all.

[BlueSky]

Oh brother.
I said, I agree with him and how welcome that would be if more politicians sounded like him. You don't like being friendly, do you?
Be a grump.

[Huggy85]

Be a grump.

Notice the name? :-)

[BlueSky]

Yeah. On the other hand, I don't want to get Huggy.

[Huggy85]

Yeah. On the other hand, I don't want to get Huggy.

Huh??? LOL

[Soundbear]

A bus load of politicians were driving down a country road one afternoon, when all of a sudden, the bus ran off the road and crashed into a tree in an old farmer's field.

Seeing what happened, the old farmer went over to investigate. He then proceeded to dig a hole and bury the politicians.

A few days later, the local sheriff came out, saw the crashed bus, and asked the old farmer, "Were they all dead?"

The old farmer replied, "Well, some of them said they weren't, but you know how them politicians lie."