The Devils greatest trick

[1337]

Wouldn't it be odd if religion was the Devils greatest trick? Creating different religions for us to fight over and fight for? Causing wars and millions of deaths?

What happens if all your beleifs are wrong? If there is a creator and you pissed him off for beleiving in the wrong thing?

[Larimar]

never know.

any religious leaders-like gurus, buddha, jesus ever actually say "start a religion"? or did they all just say spread the word of god?

[The Berean]

Jumba, you nailed it.

Religion IS the devils greatest trick. Hoping through life that following a set of rules and hoping you get them right is enough, or belonging to the right group, or hoping that what you understand is good enough to get you into heaven.

[1337]

Well, according to most religions i'm going to hell.

I do beleive in a creator, but i don't beleive anything in the bible! In any bible.

Its kind of sad, but its just the way I feel.

[KDawg]

I think one of the devil's greatest tricks has been to convince people he doesn't exist, or at least is only a caricature with red horns and a pitchfork.

[Larimar]

No one ever explains how that "quote" actually makes any sense. Tricking ppl to not believing in you-how would that give you any power at all? instead of getting ppl to fear you and take notice of you-you are having ppl turn their backs on you and face God Only. why on earth would God want us to give all our fears and acknowledgement to the devil? wouldnt god rather we knew "he" (God) made the judgements and choices? How can it be such a great trick if people don't believe in the devil? Certainly you can't assume because someone doesn't believe in a devil they are easily pursuaded by him? it's untrue-as ppl will still believe in evil-and they will know right from wrong if good and god followers anyways-what need have they for a devil? why do some christians act as though he should be looked upon as though he were great? I don't get it-why would god want us to look at the devil at all? When there's a bully at school when I was younger -you get told to ignore them-turn the other cheek..you don't have to take note of them and fight back or anything-so what good does it do to acknowledge and give attention to a devil? I don't personally believe in hell or a devil-to each his/her own-but i'm curious why Christians believe it's a trick.

[KDawg]

First off, the bible says Satan is a real being, so I believe it. Actually all you have to do is look at the world that's falling apart around you.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Tricking ppl to not believing in you-how would that give you any power at all?</div></div>
So then Satan can keep on convincing, and people can keep on believing that when bad things happen, it's all God's fault. This is Satan's MO.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> wouldnt god rather we knew "he" (God) made the judgements and choices?</div></div>
People make their own choices. If I stick a needle in my arm, that's my choice -- it's not God's fault.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How can it be such a great trick if people don't believe in the devil? </div></div>
See my first response.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> why do some christians act as though he should be looked upon as though he were great?</div></div>
Not great, but certainly powerful.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't get it-why would god want us to look at the devil at all? When there's a bully at school when I was younger -you get told to ignore them-turn the other cheek..you don't have to take note of them and fight back or anything-so what good does it do to acknowledge and give attention to a devil? </div></div>
God doesn't want you to look at or give attention to the devil. On the contrary, He warns us to stay away.

[Larimar]

I didn't mean he makes our choices for us-i meant god is the final judgement -not the devil by any means.

I don't believe that if you don't believe in the devil-you are convinced of anything evil- A person still knows right from wrong-their morals don't change due to believing in an entity or not. Same goes for god-athiests are not bad- there may be som eof the most loving, giving ppl who don't believe in god-I don't think that really makes you act any way..so what do you mean? I don't believe in the devil so he can trick me into murder? i dooont think so dude. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] I don't believe in the devil and I don't blame god for bad things-I blame human beings. the evil entities are right here with us-in the forms of osama bin ladens and hitlers-they are the murderers and the child rapests.. I'd never blame God for the actions of another soul-free will was given for a reason. I don't think the devil has anything to do with how someone acts. the whole "the devil made me do it" to me is a cop out-b.c you aren't taking responsibility for your actions. anyways-just my opinion tho. i respect ppl who believe in the devil-but it's not exactly my cuppa tea. I do believe in evil-just not in the same concept Christians would.

but all in all-i think the quote-the devils greatest trick is to make ppl believe that he doesnt exist"-is just a witty saying-and a saying never proves anything to be true tho. just a way to make ppl who do believe feel better about it-and to look at others who don't as gullable and under the devils grasp-i think it's silly tho to be honest.-if you know what i'm saying. it's hard to explain thing son boards-well for me it is.

[bluekrissyspikes]

i don't know why christian people think they are more powerful than anyone else...is it because you read the bible and what it says makes you feel empowered? the bible is just a book, many religions have them.. none of them are really written by the god that the people beleive goes with the book..it's all written by men.. men who want you to fallow thier rules and beleive what they tell you to beleive, weither it is for their own personal power trip or weither they think that they are somehow helping out mankind...who knows... i don't see why anyone would want to fallow set rules of a religion that has caused so much pain and war to the people of this world that they supposably care so much about.. nor do i understand why so much faith is put into a book when so much of the writting in it does not fit our society when science has proven so much of it imposible... i mean Chris angel can walk on water, but does that make him special? not really.. interesting maybe, but not so special. besides if you are a christian then you have to believe in the devil cause the bible tells you to... just like it tells you that gays are evil... i mean really...not bashing christianity, but in my pov most of what is in the bible are beleifs that are so outdated that most people can't even relate to them anymore.. and as for catholisism.. well it you beleive in that then we are all going to hell, aren't we? since almost everything is sin....

[The Berean]

Well, bluekrissyspikes, youve made about 47 points.
Any you care to discuss??

[Larimar]

I don't min dher point of view or beliefs-to each his/her own and there's even som epoints made that i'll agree with-however-let's not be silly-Cris Angel is a magician and illusionist-he doesn't walk on water he walks on glass and does tricks. Jesus and other spiritual leaders didn't perform illusions-Cris admits that what he does isn't real.

[bluekrissyspikes]

true enough

[1337]

I like the point that the books/bibles are written by men.

If you understood the way these "MEN" were, you could probably understand most of the stuff is made up.

I'm going to take the time to read King James version of the bible so I can talk about it better.

But, a man so powerful as he was, don't you think he had some influence on how the bible was prepared for the reason of manipulation?

[Larimar]

Jumba, yes King james version edited a lot out of the bible. which is ashame-the original bible has a lot about reincarnation and actually never says anything about psychics or mediums or witches-of todays standards-wicca that is.. Wicca wasn't a religion back then at all it's fairly new. Witch actually reffered to the fairytale creatures-and pagans werent really what we'd think of today, back then..I dunno there's a lot that's changed. I read one exactly site which told the hebrew version and then the king james version-i wish I still had a hold of it , but it was saying how it now says do not seek mediums and seers or something to that affect..when the original one says "do not seek out diviners of the clouds" who are they ? our fine weather men and woman..nothing to do with mediums at all. the bible was against predicting the weather! lol


I love studying the bible tho-I know it fairy well-as I have about 5 bibles , I think all different versions which are very very old-passed down the generations

[bluekrissyspikes]

that is also a very good poind, dreamspirit... so many different takes on the interpretation can be made to totally change the meaning of everything... and there is no way to know what is correct and what is not.. i am not really for or against any religions, i just can't understand why people would fallow a book so closely like they do.. i mean, i beleive in a higher power, and whatever you want to call it, creator, god, saviour, godesse, the power of life, or any of the hundreds of other possible names, it is all the same to me, and i know in my heart what is right and wrong, and i try to do what is right based on that, not on rules that were written thousands of years ago, by who knows who really.... IMO it is better to beleive in something then to beleive in nothing, and i don't think that this higher power will be so caught up in the details.. i try to keep an open mind, so i hope you all are doing the same. several years ago a friend brought me into a christian church and i went with her twice a week for quite some time, even got chrisened, (although my beleifs then were not too different than they are now, only thought of the higher power as god rather than as what i currently do), i was trying to learn as much as i could about christianity, and it just didn't make sense to me.. the minister seemed to spend alot of time contradicting himself and went on one day to try to convince me that a member of my family was evil for being gay..?What?..and started quoting scripture to prove it to me.. it totally made me need to rethink my beleifs, along with a few other things....

[bluekrissyspikes]

not sure what the point of all that was...i guess my main question at the moment is... what draws you to put so much blind faith into something like the bible, and just beleive everything it says, just because it tells you to?

[Boondock]

Pfft blaming some dude with horns and a pointy tail for the mis-doings of man is about as sane as blaming Mr T.

[Larimar]

Krissy-Who is the you u speak of? I don't follow the bible so I can't answer ...

[Koss]

Does anyone else think it's strange that we assume that our God is testing us to pick the right religion and the devil is trying to trick us into the wrong one. Life isn't a board game.

To me it makes more sense to think the meaning of life is the pursuit of peace. Religion seems like a cop-out for those who really don't want to explore their spiritual side. Just follow the rules on the back of the box and you'll win the game.

[The Berean]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DreamSpirit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jumba, yes King james version edited a lot out of the bible. which is ashame-the original bible has a lot about reincarnation and actually never says anything about psychics or mediums or witches-of todays standards-wicca that is.. Wicca wasn't a religion back then at all it's fairly new. Witch actually reffered to the fairytale creatures-and pagans werent really what we'd think of today, back then..I dunno there's a lot that's changed. I read one exactly site which told the hebrew version and then the king james version-i wish I still had a hold of it , but it was saying how it now says do not seek mediums and seers or something to that affect..when the original one says "do not seek out diviners of the clouds" who are they ? our fine weather men and woman..nothing to do with mediums at all. the bible was against predicting the weather! lol


I love studying the bible tho-I know it fairy well-as I have about 5 bibles , I think all different versions which are very very old-passed down the generations </div></div>

"I love studying the bible"

What a load.

"The King James version edisted a lot out of the bible.." Really. Lets discuss your sources for that tripe. You must know what has been removed to be able to state that.

Tell us about it.