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    Default Good Video, about truck frame strength,Toytota lost big.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0

    Looks like Toyota has commuters in mind not, Haulers.

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    Default Re: Good Video, about truck frame strength,Toytota lost big.

    That is more a statement on shock technology.
    It's unsprung weight that is the cause of the bounce or the inability to control the unsprung weight.
    This weight, is the weight of everything below or not supported by the suspension. rims , tires, axles, rotors, calipers, driveshaft....
    Shock damping is the difference.
    Take a look at this...couldn't find it in English, nevertheless start 1:01 in and be amazed.
    Bose figures it could be about a $5,000.00 option....and that's 4 years ago.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyf4rfT7bHU

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackButler View Post
    That is more a statement on shock technology.
    It's unsprung weight that is the cause of the bounce or the inability to control the unsprung weight.
    This weight, is the weight of everything below or not supported by the suspension. rims , tires, axles, rotors, calipers, drive shaft....
    Shock damping is the difference.
    Take a look at this...couldn't find it in English, nevertheless start 1:01 in and be amazed.
    Bose figures it could be about a $5,000.00 option....and that's 4 years ago.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyf4rfT7bHU
    Jack, your explanation was great and it's nice to defend Toyota but their truck still sucks, all niceties aside.
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    But your forgetting something guys, you can't kill a Hilux.

    Also watch part 2, it should come up after the first video is done. salt water and fire, the Hilux still runs!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrk6vsb77xk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anapeg View Post
    Jack, your explanation was great and it's nice to defend Toyota but their truck still sucks, all niceties aside.
    Ha, Ha...it's not about Toyota.
    It's about getting it right.
    Adjustable suspensions on the fly, sway and yawl control, 5 ton monster trucks falling 30' out of the sky without a rebound, motocross bikes, snowmobiles.......
    Shock technology is incredible.....but that's all it is!
    You could order a set of rebuildable performance shocks though Penske or QA1.
    With a little work, they would out perform any factory setup by a long shot, so....
    The test is kind of funny really, I mean just slow down!
    Call me crazy, but who would drive their new truck, that fast over those bumps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anapeg View Post
    Jack, your explanation was great and it's nice to defend Toyota but their truck still sucks, all niceties aside.
    Cost per mile is what it's all about.

    Who wins then??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    Cost per mile is what it's all about.

    Who wins then??
    Depends what you are doing.
    The Toyota couldn't do what some of the diesels do, so you can't even compare them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackButler View Post
    Ha, Ha...it's not about Toyota.
    It's about getting it right.
    Adjustable suspensions on the fly, sway and yawl control, 5 ton monster trucks falling 30' out of the sky without a rebound, motocross bikes, snowmobiles.......
    Shock technology is incredible.....but that's all it is!
    You could order a set of rebuild able performance shocks though Penske or QA1.
    With a little work, they would out perform any factory setup by a long shot, so....

    Agreed shocks do make or break the ride/performance.

    The test is kind of funny really, I mean just slow down!
    Call me crazy, but who would drive their new truck, that fast over those bumps?
    Anyone purchasing a vehicle after myself is being ripped off. I use a vehicle for what it's designed for and more. My one ton and my three quarter ton are moving ten ton every day. We are regularly on dirt roads, in fact ones heading for Timmins via the Ranger Lake Turnpike on Friday. On the straights I am often at eighty plus. Hence the two year and gone rule here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    Cost per mile is what it's all about.

    Who wins then??
    The manufacturer of coarse. They sell you a vehicle purported to do this that and the other thing. You take it and use after market to perform on a regular basis as the manufacturer tells you it will out of the box. Suspension upgrades to tow. Bully Dogs to tow and perform. Light packages so you can drive with assurance at night. Oh, ya, sound systems to be able to drown out the rattles.
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    Default Re: Good Video, about truck frame strength,Toytota lost big.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anapeg View Post
    Anyone purchasing a vehicle after myself is being ripped off. I use a vehicle for what it's designed for and more. My one ton and my three quarter ton are moving ten ton every day. We are regularly on dirt roads, in fact ones heading for Timmins via the Ranger Lake Turnpike on Friday. On the straights I am often at eighty plus. Hence the two year and gone rule here.
    Own any imports?

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    Default Re: Good Video, about truck frame strength,Toytota lost big.

    What got me was the Chevy bounded and danced like crazy but at least the "box" and "cab" did not do a separate dance like the Toyota ,that has to be more about the frame's strength would it not?

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    Default Re: Good Video, about truck frame strength,Toytota lost big.

    That would be true if the shocks were the same.
    It would be both frame and shock contributing to the results.
    There is one more thing to consider....cab mounts.
    The consistency or hardness of the rubber will determine the cabs movement.
    Like I said already.......silly test!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackButler View Post
    Own any imports?
    Nary a one and won`t, not for work. Personal use quite possibly. I know, Hans tells me a 2.5 litre Audi will do the job as well as my Dodge and or GM diesel but..................
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackButler View Post
    That would be true if the shocks were the same.
    It would be both frame and shock contributing to the results.
    There is one more thing to consider....cab mounts.
    The consistency or hardness of the rubber will determine the cabs movement.
    Like I said already.......silly test!
    Silly, I don`t think so. It shows that Toyota should not be your truck of choice for back woods wash board roads unless you plan modifications on a new vehicle to accomplish what Ford and GM do off the showroom floor.Certainly they are different, that's why the names are not all the same. In that instance Toyota comes up abysmally short.
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    Default Re: Good Video, about truck frame strength,Toytota lost big.

    You would be correct, if that was a test that actually applies to a situation that most of us would be in.
    At a slower speed, where all of us drive, the difference would be minimal, so....
    .....silly test I tells ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackButler View Post
    You would be correct, if that was a test that actually applies to a situation that most of us would be in.
    At a slower speed, where all of us drive, the difference would be minimal, so....
    .....silly test I tells ya!
    Most of us drive Jack, most, not all. I have on occasion beat and thrashed on equipment to achieve a goal, unreasonable, yes. Honest though. My GM diesel has 144,000 on it and is on it`s third motor. I WILL find the weak spots, I promise. Now the Allison is misbehaving, so off to the shop.
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    Default Re: Good Video, about truck frame strength,Toytota lost big.

    You could throw each of them off a cliff, and see which one could drive away.

    Be as good a test.

    Three engines in 144,000??? Send that GM to the crusher!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    You could throw each of them off a cliff, and see which one could drive away.

    Be as good a test.

    Three engines in 144,000??? Send that GM to the crusher!!!
    We did. It kept melting pistons so we went with a complete replacement, turbo, pump, the works. With this engine you can hear (loudly) the turbo spool up which I never heard on the old one so maybe..........
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    Default Re: Good Video, about truck frame strength,Toytota lost big.

    Just curious. You using any additives in that engine?? And what oil??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    Just curious. You using any additives in that engine?? And what oil??
    No to the additives, never. I have used additives in my gas engines to clean the fuel system only. I never put anything in the oil. As for oil, I go to manufacture specs, I don't change mine as it is done by the shop. I have pulled the rig with a four point something or other GM gas for two weeks with no problem and the Cumin's handles it easily but the GM diesel, not so much. It's lazy and works hard to do the job and I have fuel receipts to prove it.
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