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    http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/world/article252630.ece

    Security lapses will astound Americans, says Obama

    US President Barack Obama, who has complained about a disastrous intelligence "screw-up", was set to make a fresh statement late yesterday, as his administration fights claims it botched the initial response to the attempted suicide bombing.

    National security adviser James Jones prepared public opinion by warning that Americans would feel a "certain shock" when they read about systemic failures in intelligence operations designed to keep them safe.

    Noting the failed bid to destroy the jet, and the shooting rampage that killed 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, in November by a Muslim army psychiatrist, Jones said clues about extremist attacks had now been missed twice.

    On Tuesday, Obama said the review showed US intelligence agencies missed a series of red flags related to Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, who is accused of trying to destroy the jet with explosives sewn into his underwear.

    New details meanwhile began to emerge of the planning of the airliner plot, blamed by the US on al-Qaeda in Yemen.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/08/opinion/08fri1.html

    The review the White House released on Thursday acknowledges that the government was awash in clues — about a plot by an Al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen to attack the United States and about Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian man trained in Yemen who is accused of trying to blow a hole in the side of Detroit-bound Northwest Flight 253. The report is filled with shocking details on how the government failed to act.

    To recap what happened, quickly:

    In May, Britain refused to renew Mr. Abdulmutallab’s visa, and it put him on a watch list. In August, the National Security Agency overheard leaders of the Al Qaeda branch in Yemen discussing a plot involving a Nigerian man. In November, Mr. Abdulmutallab’s father, a respected banker in Nigeria, warned the American Embassy in Abuja that his son was being radicalized and had disappeared in Yemen. The father even met with an official of the Central Intelligence Agency.

    The son was put on the least-restrictive American watch list — one that still allowed him to board a plane to Detroit without luggage and with a ticket that was paid for with cash.

    The report implicitly acknowledges all of this, saying that the system failed “to identify, correlate, and fuse into a coherent story all of the discrete pieces of intelligence held by the U.S. government” about both the Al Qaeda group and Mr. Abdulmuttalab. It also makes clear that this was not a single failure by one agency but was a cascade of failures across agencies and departments and the bureaucracies that are supposed to coordinate them.

    It says that once the government learned of a possible plot in Yemen, the intelligence community failed to devote more analytic resources, and it failed to put one agency or official in charge. John Brennan, the senior official responsible for figuring out what went wrong, said on Thursday that only after the failed plot did the intelligence community recognize that the group, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, actually posed a direct threat to the United States.



    Kinda hard to feel safe living next to a "superpower" whose "security" services are this incompetent.

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    This title is an oxymoron.

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    Just heard that the last couple of hours of that Christmas day flight were over Canada.

    Let's get them shifted a little south.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSMP View Post
    This title is an oxymoron.
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    Wait, I'm not done laughing yet, that was soooooooo witty and original I can barely breath
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    I wonder how different this situation would have been if Bush was still in charge...
    I don't particularly care for the man's politics, but at least he spent more time protecting his country than looking pretty in front of the camera.
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    I don't think it's a case of incompetance on the behalf of the current president DQ. I think if Bush or even Clinton was in office right now, the same thing would have happened. It was an intelligence error, that would've happened no matter who was in office. Just remember Obama is not in the CIA giving orders, he's not the one who is placing people in places. He is just the Cheif who oversees the operation. To blame Obama is incorrect, to blame the Obama administration would be a bit more accurate.

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    good point, although, I wasn't saying Obama was giving orders and was just talking about who was in charge but, to be more specific, I think the Bush administration would have kept such security measures more tightly bound, It is discerning looking at how many of these incidents there has been in the short time of Obama compared to that o Bush.
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    Just to make 1 little correction to that statement as well. There has been more reported incdients since Obama has been president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konig-OV View Post
    Just to make 1 little correction to that statement as well. There has been more reported incdients since Obama has been president.
    well, to be honest, that is all we can go off of. Like I said, it would be interesting... I'm not trying to claim one to be better than the other, I don't really like either of 'em
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingqueen View Post
    I wonder how different this situation would have been if Bush was still in charge...
    I don't particularly care for the man's politics, but at least he spent more time protecting his country than looking pretty in front of the camera.

    In these situations I ask myself: What would Jack Bauer do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingqueen View Post
    It is discerning looking at how many of these incidents there has been in the short time of Obama compared to that o Bush.
    Hmmmmmm. Seems to me it was Bush that was in the White House for 9/11 and that there was evidence of massive security failures in that instance as well.

    I agree with Konig - it is the responsibility of the security agencies, not the President. I just can't believe that Obama didn't fire any of those responsible. Let's just let the incompetents keep running the show!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingqueen View Post
    good point, although, I wasn't saying Obama was giving orders and was just talking about who was in charge but, to be more specific, I think the Bush administration would have kept such security measures more tightly bound, It is discerning looking at how many of these incidents there has been in the short time of Obama compared to that o Bush.
    Funny you say that when Democrats and Republicans both work for the same people. Sure the name of the U.S. Presidents and parties change from time to time, but, the same world banks, the same CEOS for every major corporation, so what's the difference. Those CEOs and world banks never change. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever for World Banks. It is only now that green thumb politicians and the general public are starting to question and realize with no one giving straight answers and plea the 5th.

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