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    The day before he died, luger Nodar Kumaritashvili spoke to his father by phone and said he was terrified of the track at the Whistler Sliding Center.

    David Kumaritashvili gave an interview Sunday outside his house in the Georgian mountain town of Bakuriani, recounting one of the last conversations he had with his 21-year-old son. The Wall Street Journal reports:

    "He called me before the Olympics, three days ago, and he said, 'Dad, I'm scared of one of the turns.'

    "I said, 'Put your legs down on the ice to slow down,' but he said if he started the course he would finish it. ... He was brave."

    Nodar Kumaritashvili also spoke with his parents minutes before his fateful slide, telling them he planned to make them proud, according to The Globe and Mail.

    Since his death, many people have debated whether the track was too fast or the relatively inexperienced luger was out of his element. A number of Olympic lugers think the track was fine. They fault Kumaritashvili – a sentiment shared by luging officials who deemed the track safe (even while hypocritically lowering the starting location and adding pads to the metal beams that caused the death).


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    Confidence is such a big part of being at your best.
    Sounds like he was beat in his head....sad!
    The reason for moving the start, was for that reason, it wasn't hypocritical.
    It was to help the athletes confidence....the speeds still went over 150kph.
    The sled placement determines how much speed the athlete will achieve in the end.

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    "...the belief of some here that as the hosts they have overwhelming rights to every advantage, seems hardly to have been touched by charges that the Georgian's death was a direct result of the Canadian policy of hogging practice rights.

    There is also the problem that while the investigating British Columbia Coroners Service, the Royal Mounted Police and officials of the International Luge Federation agreed that the cause of the tragedy was not the dangers of the track but the errors and inexperience of its victim, it was still swiftly decided to change utterly the conditions of the competition. This included the building up of the wall, and the changing of the "ice profile" at the fatal curve and moving the start line to the women's mark, nearly 200 yards down the track.

    The inconsistency of the ruling screamed at the mourners of the luger who had just 26 practice runs down the course – as opposed to the 200 enjoyed by the Canadians."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/o...d-1899592.html

    The Vancouver Olympic committee better get this under control quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Wolf View Post
    The Vancouver Olympic committee better get this under control quickly.
    It's more than them and the track usage isn't the only issue.
    More use by the home team is consistent with all Olympics.
    The Luge Federation and the IOC requirements are subject to the same scrutiny.
    I'm sure they will all make some changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackButler View Post
    More use by the home team is consistent with all Olympics.
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    Perhaps. It would make sense, I suppose.

    What's your source?
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    I don't know where I would find it, although it was part of the conversations I heard through the broadcasts leading up the the games.
    Every Olympics host country enjoys a home field advantage, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackButler View Post
    Every Olympics host country enjoys a home field advantage, no.
    Of course. But by "advantage" surely you don't mean the home team getting 770% more practice time on a course in which it is crucial to know every crook and turn?
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    He got the same amount as those who didn't crash, that's right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackButler View Post
    He got the same amount as those who didn't crash, that's right!
    You didn't answer the question.
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    He had less than everybody else?

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    http://yoretown.wordpress.com/2009/0...today-in-1996/

    On July 27th, 1996, thousands of people who wanted to watch the Olympics were in Atlanta’s Centennial Olympic Park, the central point of the Summer Olympics, and the location for a late-night rock concert . Shortly after midnight, Richard Jewell, a security guard who later became a bombing suspect, discovered a suspicious knapsack near the concert sound tower. He told authorities but before anyone could get the park evacuated the pipe bombs in the knapsack went off. The nails that surrounded the three bombs were as deadly as the bomb. Alice Hawthorne from Georgia was struck in the head with one nail, and was killed instantly. 111 other people injured. One man died from a heart attack.
    Eric Robert Rudolph, the real bomber, was implicated after he bombed other areas of Atlanta as well as Birmingham, Alabama. The survivalist clearly targeted women, as his bombings were of women’s clinics and a lesbian night club. Then he disappeared in the Applachian mountains for five year. He was finally arrested May 31, 2003 in the small mountain town of Murphy North Carolina. He’s now serving four consecutive life terms at ADX Florence in Colorado. Fellow prison mates include Terry Nichols, the 1995 Oklahoma City bomber, Unabomber Ted Kaczynski, and al-Qaeda terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui.
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    http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/ja...olym-j13.shtml

    Salt Lake City bribery scandal: the buying of the Olympic games

    By Martin McLaughlin
    13 January 1999


    A bribery scandal has forced the resignation of the leaders of the Salt Lake City group which is organizing the 2002 Winter Olympics. The revelations of the past month have demonstrated anew the pernicious consequences of the takeover of international sport by giant corporations, especially the American-based media monopolies.
    Frank Joklik, president of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee (SLOC), resigned January 8 after acknowledging that cash payments and other benefits were provided to members of the International Olympic Committee to influence the IOC's 1995 vote which awarded the 2002 games to the Utah capital city.
    Senior Vice President Dave Johnson also resigned, and SLOC ended a $10,000-a-month consulting contract with its former president Tom Welch, who headed the successful campaign to bring the Olympics to Salt Lake City.
    Three days later Salt Lake City Mayor Deedee Corradini announced she would not seek reelection in 2000, as had been expected. While Corradini, a Democrat, denied that her decision had anything to do with the Olympics bribery scandal, over the past week city council members had called for her resignation.
    Four separate investigations have been launched into the allegations of bribery, first raised last month by Marc Hodler, a senior IOC member from Switzerland. The SLOC, the US Olympic Committee and the IOC are all conducting internal probes, while the US Justice Department is investigating whether federal anti-bribery statutes have been violated, since many of the IOC members who allegedly received payments are officials of foreign governments.
    Some of the cash payments and other benefits have been confirmed by the recipients. Jean-Claude Ganga, the IOC member from the Congo Republic, admitted receiving $70,000 in direct payments, as well as free medical care and a favorable position in a Utah real estate deal, which netted him $60,000. Ganga described such arrangements as "normal."
    There are allegations that the SLOC supplied visiting IOC members with prostitutes, that SLOC officials made campaign contributions to an IOC member who was running for mayor of Santiago, Chile, and that they provided college tuition for the children of IOC members from Ecuador and Libya. A cash contribution went to another IOC member from the Netherlands.
    Hodler, the Swiss IOC official, charged that there has been extensive bribery to influence IOC selection votes at least since 1990, when Atlanta was chosen as the host city for the 1996 Summer Games. Similar scandals allegedly underlie the selection of Nagano, Japan for the 1998 Winter Games and Sydney, Australia for the 2000 Summer Games.
    Hodler said that several middlemen had profited handsomely as brokers selling the votes of IOC members from Africa and the Middle East, who had no hope of winning selection for sites in their own regions but held the balance of votes in competition between North American, European and Asian cities.
    One of these middlemen was identified in the Canadian press as Mahmoud El Farnawani, a former Egyptian Olympic athlete who emigrated to Canada and became a successful Toronto businessman. In recent years he has been hired as a "marketing consultant" for a series of successful Olympic bids. The Sydney bid committee paid him $60,000, although one Australian official complained that he failed to deliver many votes. Salt Lake City's committee paid him $58,000, and the group seeking the 2008 Summer Games for Toronto has paid him $35,000.
    The quadrennial games have always been a combination of athletic competition, big business and international politics. Every Olympic Games held during the post-World War II period served as an expression of the tensions in international relations during the Cold War. With the advent of television, and especially satellite transmission of broadcasts in the 1960s, the games became increasingly commercialized to produce profits and serve as a prestigious showcase for major corporations.
    Even in this context, however, the 1996 Atlanta games represented a qualitative leap, with an unprecedented degree of corporate involvement in exploitation of the spectacle, and a crude display of American chauvinism. The IOC's decision in 1990 to award the games to another US city, only six years after the 1984 Summer Games in Los Angeles, raised questions at the time about the overpowering influence of the American media monopolies.
    **** Pound, the IOC member from Montreal who is heading the group's investigation of the Salt Lake City case, told the Canadian press that the open bribery of IOC members was first employed by Atlanta officials to displace Toronto, which had been the frontrunner to receive the 1996 games.
    Marc Hodler suggested that Salt Lake City might not be able to fulfill its contract with the IOC to stage the 2002 games, because the bribery scandal would make it more difficult to raise the huge sums required. But top IOC officials reaffirmed the award of the Winter Games, and Salt Lake officials said they had raised 72 percent of needed funds already.
    The ultimate decision will be made, not by Olympic officials, but by corporate America. A dozen major corporations which are the principal sponsors of the Winter Games, including Coca-Cola, Xerox, Visa, John Hancock Financial Services, Lucent Technologies, Delta Airlines and US West, were reviewing their commitments. US West announced it was withholding the first $5 million of its planned $50 million contribution until the bribery allegations were investigated.
    Ok sorry what was that about the host country getting more practice time? I couldn't hear it over all the US scandals and violence.
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    A German, with the same limited practice ended up winning, he is 20.

    "Our problem is not the track," Staudinger said.
    "Our problem is the participants from exotic countries who think they can approach it like tourists - I have to be drastic about this - and perform with the professionals.
    Would I go out with Jacques Villeneuve in Montreal and do a Formula One Grand Prix in Montreal, it's not possible.
    I'd probably kill myself."

    http://www.ctvolympics.ca/luge/news/...el+phelps+luge

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    Ok sorry what was that about the host country getting more practice time? I couldn't hear it over all the US scandals and violence

    Oh, it's nothing. Just watching you guys justify a death in Vancouver.

    Priceless, really
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    What to justify?
    It's sad, no question...sympathy is useless.
    I was watching you fail to make anyone feel guilty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackButler View Post
    What to justify?
    It's sad, no question...sympathy is useless.
    I was watching you fail to make anyone feel guilty!
    Why would you feel guilty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Wolf View Post
    Why would you feel guilty?
    I promise you I don't feel guilty...member...you failed!
    I don't know why I have to repeat myself...listen up would ya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Wolf View Post
    Ok sorry what was that about the host country getting more practice time? I couldn't hear it over all the US scandals and violence

    Oh, it's nothing. Just watching you guys justify a death in Vancouver.

    Priceless, really
    Translation: Wow I'm embarrassed of my country, pull out the sympathy card.
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    There's really nothing that can't be done to justify the death, and I'm sure Canada is not trying to justify it, just trying to prevent another one. It's a dangerous sport and tragedy can strike on any run in any course really. There was no way for Canada to predict this. It's true this course is faster and more dangerous than any other Olympic course, but it is the nature of the sport to push the envelope. Sadly this accident happened and can hopefully be prevented in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the docs cat ™ View Post
    Translation: Wow I'm embarrassed of my country, pull out the sympathy card.
    With the way things are going in Vancouver, it looks like there will be no shortage of embarrassment for Canada when this is all said and done.
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