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    well.... it wold be interesting to see just how much data we use if we were to stream all our tv. only the shows that we watch. if anyone end up less that 350 GB then would it not be time to just cancel tv all together.... kind of a hit back to the crtc and the bull crap candian content? (yes there are some ok shows) really people pay way too much for tv anyways and way more than $50 on average. I am sure HD streaming is out of the question but with a few good torrent sites TV shows are available 15 minutes after they air and with no commercials. its a total win

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    I'm glad I live in Thunder Bay. No Bell lines here, and Tbaytel so far has said they aren't going to implement ubb. I can see Shaw cable loosing a lot of customer's to TBaytel once they implement it though.
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    My letter to the Sault Star today:

    Usage based billing will kill canadian innovation

    The recent CRTC decision to allow Canadian internet service providers (ISPs) to implement internet usage billing (UBB) will kill technology innovation in Canada and make our country a second-class citizen when it comes to our internet presence. Using the internet in Canada will be dramatically more expensive than it is for the rest of the world making us uncompetitive. This has happened because of the lack of competition for internet services in Canada. For this reason, we must make it clear to our current government that they must reverse this decision.

    UBB is an unfair pricing model as ISPs are charging hundreds of times more for consumers to access the internet than it does for them to provide the service. It is clear that this is a direct response to new and innovative business technological models coming to Canada that use the internet rather than more traditional means such as cable TV. Instead of evolving their services to meet new demand, our telecom’s would rather protect their old business models by ensuring that the price to access these new services is too expensive for the average Canadian.

    What UBB is going to do is force Canadian families to monitor how much internet they use. If they go over the very low maximums set out by most ISPs then a very punitive cost will be billed to the consumer. Canadians will be hesitant to use the internet for fear of the costs.

    UBB is going to affect how we use the internet. Services like Skype and Netflix will no longer be viable. Other services we already use like hotspots, open wifi, video conferencing, online gaming and cloud computing will become too expensive. The wonderful technological future that we are building is going to taken away from Canadians as the rest of the world moves forward.

    Now is the time to make your voice heard about this important issue and to keep Canada in the 21st century. Write to your MP, voice your displeasure to the CRTC and the Canadian Competition Bureau, or sign the petition at openmedia.ca

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    I am PI$$ed about this. First off I have no idea what I even use for GB. The computer really pass the day for me when I have a day off.

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    OTTAWA *- The Conservative government is warning it is prepared to overturn a decision by the federal telecommunications regulator imposing Internet usage-based billing.
    "The CRTC should be under no illusions. The prime minister and minister of industry will reverse this decision unless they do it themselves," a senior government official told QMI Agency Wednesday.
    A parliamentary committee was set to weigh in on the recent and contentious decision by the Canadian Radio-television Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) to cap Internet plans offered by independent providers Thursday.
    MPs say they have been hearing from concerned constituents and small business owners concerned the CRTC ruling will hurt their bottom line.


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    I told you the CRTC has no business to enforce rules. Their directive is to provide regulation.
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    Default Re: Anybody else upset about Usage Based Billing coming to Shaw Feb 1st

    # TonyClement_MP

    #UBB: of course there are challenges ahead to give consumers more Internet access at reasonable cost. But CRTC decision wasn't the answer.

    # Tony Clement TonyClement_MP

    #UBB: In my media interviews today I've been stressing the need for CRTC to reverse decision. Cabinet will act otherwise. /2



    Yeah, Tony's "tweeting" that he and the government opposed the CRTC ruling and will undo it if they don't undo it themselves.

    Tony's so hip.

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    Media is reporting today that Industry Minister Tony Clement has stated that if the CRTC does not rescind it's recent decision to implement a cap on consumer Internet usage, the federal government is prepared to intervene.

    http://www.sootoday.com/content/news...ryNumber=50633
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    Default Re: Anybody else upset about Usage Based Billing coming to Shaw Feb 1st

    of course, all this does is allow the small ISP to avoid capping their service to the consumer. This is still good to keep the big boys on their toes and keep some competition in place. This does not mean that Shaw and Bell will stop capping service, but it does mean that they can't run wild with billing as they will lose customers to the smaller re-sellers.

    I have to say though, that Shaw is offering better caps and costs than Bell and Rogers, but there is still work to be done. Our broadband and wireless services in Canada are still the most expensive in the developed world.

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    There's no way Shaw will be able to increase my bill from 50$/month to 150$/month using UBB, as I will simply switch to a provider with a better offer.
    So I don't see how the major ISP's will be able to stick to UBB.
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    Default Re: Anybody else upset about Usage Based Billing coming to Shaw Feb 1st

    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post

    Shaw : 57$/month + 100$/month to cover my data traffic = 157$/month + tax
    Bell : 31.95/month + 60$/month to cover my data traffic = 91.95$/month + tax

    I thought I would never say this, but Bell looks good to me right now.
    Bell = $31.95 / month (In a Bell Bundle)
    $41.95 STANDALONE. with a $29.95 activation fee.
    $3.95 modem rental


    Available to residential customers in Ontario, where technology permits. $25 fee applies if you downgrade to slower-speed service. One time activation fee ($29.95) extra; waived for Bell Satellite TV subscribers. Modem rental ($3.95/mo.) extra. 30-day notice required to cancel service. Subject to change without notice and cannot be combined with any other offer. Taxes extra. Other conditions apply, including minimum system requirements.
    Speeds on the Internet may vary with your configuration, Internet traffic, server, applicable network management or other factors; see bell.ca/internet.
    Available to new customers and existing Bell Internet dial-up customers who sign up for Bell Fibe 6 and at least 1 other select service; see bell.ca/bundle. Monthly rate is $41.95 (subject to change), less $5 credit for months 1 to 12 (ongoing as a Bell TV customer), and $5 Bundle discount. 25 GB of usage per month; $2.00/additional GB, (max. $60 for up to 300GB, $1.00/GB thereafter), rounded up to the next MB.
    Bell (standalone with 500GB usage) 6MB down.
    $41.95 (25GB) + $3.95 (modem rental)
    $60 300GB (Can't get twice the bundle)
    (500-300-25=175GB)
    175GB x $1 = $175
    $175 + $60 + $41.95 + $3.95 =
    $280.90 plus taxes

    Shaw (with standalone with 500GB usage) 7.5MB down.
    $37.00 (60GB) (free modem rental)
    $50 for 250GB x 2 = $100
    $100+$37= $137 plus taxes

    Ummmmmm????
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    Bell 300 GB = 41.95 + 60 = 101.95
    Shaw 300 GB = 57 + 50 = 107

    You are also assuming Shaw will allow you to pick 2 250 GB packages, but it's not clear if you can or not. From talking to their online help people it sounds they don't know for sure either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    Bell 300 GB = 41.95 + 60 = 101.95
    Shaw 300 GB = 57 + 50 = 107

    You are also assuming Shaw will allow you to pick 2 250 GB packages, but it's not clear if you can or not. From talking to their online help people it sounds they don't know for sure either.
    You are comparing Bells "highspeed" with Shaws "Extreme".. So apples and apples would be

    300GB Bell
    $41.95 (standalone) + $3.95 (modem; you kind of need one) + $60 (For 300GB)
    Total = $105.90 plus taxes
    325GB and 6MB down.

    300GB Shaw
    $47.00 (standalone) + $0 (Free modem) + $50 (For 250GB)
    Total = $97 plus taxes
    310GB and 7.5MB down (Free speed boost)

    300GB
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    Ok let me clear the air a bit as I see there is some confusion here. ISP's are not getting hit on their pipes connecting to the internet, they are getting nailed for the traffic that passes over the network from the end user to the ISP. Bell set all this in motion back when they asked to do DPI (traffic shaping). Bell argued that a 3rd party ISP only pays for the port to plug into, not the line that plugs into the port, not the traffic that flows between the port and the ISP. By pushing this model for DPI, they were pretty much able to go back to the CRTC and say well ISP's are not paying for the traffic and that 3rd party ISP's customers are abusing the network... As an ISP we supply the pipes for all the bandwidth from the point where we meet bell to the internet. We can either build our own or lease lines from a fibre provider.

    Currently we have put in our own equipment in Sudbury and North bay, but it costs a lot of money to put the equipment in. If UBB does go ahead I am sure you will see us start to build out even more. Personally I would like to see fibre here but it is very costly to do. This is one way for us to get around UBB as it never touches Bell or Shaw's network...

    On a more limited basis I already do have the equipment here for dedicated business services which is point to point. We have been doing SHDSL to businesses and with the prices we are currently doing for symmetrical service they are really starting to sell well, to the point I am having to put in another dslam to support it. Its pretty much the same setup we would use if we put a Dslam in at the Bell CO and has just as much up time and reliability as say a T1. The nice this too is we can do anywhere up to 45Mbps symmetrical based on distance.

    As for Shaw, well we have not received any official word from them so its status quo right now.

    As for the CRTC response today it was pretty disappointing. I missed the broadcast, but pretty much Tony C said its got to go, and Konrad von Finckenstein, chairman of the CRTC said well no... This guy needs to be fired... his welcome is over due.

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    Default Re: Anybody else upset about Usage Based Billing coming to Shaw Feb 1st

    The other question I have is how many people here would support a moment to get the city of Sault Ste. Marie to declare itself as anti UBB like Vancouver did? http://openmedia.ca/news/city-vancou...-its-residents

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    I watched the grilling of CRTC head Konrad von Finckenstein on CPAC from 4-5:30pm and was appalled at the lack of information by the CRTC on how the internet actually works.
    How can we have these clowns in charge of the internet? They have know idea or do any research as to what's going on. They seem to take at face value whatever Bell tells them.
    I smell graft here.

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    Default Re: Anybody else upset about Usage Based Billing coming to Shaw Feb 1st

    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    The other question I have is how many people here would support a movement to get the city of Sault Ste. Marie to declare itself as anti UBB like Vancouver did? http://openmedia.ca/news/city-vancou...-its-residents
    I's support it with faint hope. Little Sault Ste. Marie won't have much sway. If we were a city of millions, yeah maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    They have know idea or do any research as to what's going on.
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    It was really sad to watch. They had no idea in the difference between megabits, megabytes, gigabytes and gigahertz?(seriously, that's what they said.)
    When asked about how this will effect Skype or voip they had no idea that video was possible on either one.
    When asked about Clements posting on twitter, Konrad von Finckenstein asked twitter? I don't follow that. I read it in this mornings newspapaer.
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    Ya I just finished watching it, for anyone who wants to watch http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?d...=e&clipID=5030 but ya they really couldn't even keep the sizes of things right. It really is sad because he is so short sited. You would almost think he never turned on a computer at home and did anything on it. It was almost like people never worked at home before, and god forbid they ever do it because they should have a business connection... which by the way half the time companies like bell won't let you have unless you fight for it... This guy needs to be let out to pasture because he is not in touch with technology and the impacts it has on the decision.

    Also did you get the feeling he is a Yes man? He could not even answer why they just took bell's stuff at face value, and could not even explain how they came to any reasoning behind it.

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