Less Government is Better for the Poor

[RWGR]

"Calls for limited government are often mistakenly equated with a disregard for people in need. This flawed line of reasoning assumes that poverty is primarily a material problem and that government bears the primary responsibility for solving it by increasing welfare and entitlement spending.

Yet at its root, poverty is usually more complex than a simple lack of material resources. In America, poverty is often the result of a relational problem, such as fatherlessness or community breakdown. Such relational breakdowns are addressed most effectively through various civil society institutions.

People have many needs that extend beyond simple material possessions—needs that cannot be met by any single institution. Families, churches, businesses, and other forms of association play crucial roles in sustaining liberty and meeting people’s needs. Public policy in general and welfare policy in particular should respect and protect these institutions of civil society.

Thus, limited government is an important piece of a framework that benefits people in need. When government is limited to the tasks it is best-equipped and authorized to perform, it allows more effective poverty-fighting institutions to thrive. Far from being incompatible with a concern for poverty, an appropriately limited government is crucial to maintaining a social order that enables people to escape poverty."

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Rep...oning-the-Poor

[hobo]

I wouldn't argue the point you are making but looking at America from the outside so to speak I think a big part of the problem might be the education system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKTfaro96dg

I never saw the movie "waiting for Superman" and I don't know how accurate a depiction the movie or the trailer of the movie is.

[RWGR]

It has nothing to do with education, and everything to do with cyclical poverty. Why do many welfare families have grandparents, parents, and now kids all on welfare? Because it has become a way of life for some people. They have no incentive to find a job. The kids grow up in this environment, and by fifteen already know what they want to do in life: apply for welfare as soon as possible.

And because government rewards single parents (for every kid you have, you get x amount from the government each month, plus thousands at tax time, even though they don't pay a cent in taxes). On the other side, government penalizes married parents through the tax system. It's better to either file separately, or not marry and just live together.

Reagan said it best: "Government is not the answer, government is the problem"

[Westender 3]

"Calls for limited government are often mistakenly equated with a disregard for people in need. This flawed line of reasoning assumes that poverty is primarily a material problem and that government bears the primary responsibility for solving it by increasing welfare and entitlement spending.

Yet at its root, poverty is usually more complex than a simple lack of material resources. In America, poverty is often the result of a relational problem, such as fatherlessness or community breakdown. Such relational breakdowns are addressed most effectively through various civil society institutions.

People have many needs that extend beyond simple material possessions—needs that cannot be met by any single institution. Families, churches, businesses, and other forms of association play crucial roles in sustaining liberty and meeting people’s needs. Public policy in general and welfare policy in particular should respect and protect these institutions of civil society.

Thus, limited government is an important piece of a framework that benefits people in need. When government is limited to the tasks it is best-equipped and authorized to perform, it allows more effective poverty-fighting institutions to thrive. Far from being incompatible with a concern for poverty, an appropriately limited government is crucial to maintaining a social order that enables people to escape poverty."

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Rep...oning-the-Poor

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[RWGR]

This message brought to you by the filthy rich at Koch Industries.

Translation: "I have no substantive comeback"

[hobo]

Sew sum kids drop ut of skool, cant reed or right much , go on welfair and th problem is with sicklic poverty becus ther born to be welfar people. Ignorance and poor relatives and poor ignorant relatives that more or les rob from the rich to kep poor - our system isn't much different in some respectcs but opur kids get a good education which allows for opporunity.

[RWGR]

You point to school drop-outs, as if that proves anything. Why did they drop out? Did the system fail them? Then why do certain families have very high levels of dropout rates? Why are they also the same families that are usually welfare-dependent.

Because those families put little value on education. As such, there is no familial pressure to keep the kid in school. After all, do you really need a diploma to collect welfare checks every two weeks?

[RWGR]

our system isn't much different in some respectcs but opur kids get a good education which allows for opporunity.

Please, your system is no different than ours.

[hobo]

Which system are you referring to - education - welfare ??

[RWGR]

Which system are you referring to - education - welfare ??

Both

[hobo]

You might call out education systems no different then ours but our results are better and you can't deny that and if you do you should check some statistics and if you blame your results on the poor uneducated then maybe you should just count them out of your sytem to bring up the numbers.

[RWGR]

You might call out education systems no different then ours but our results are better and you can't deny that and if you do you should check some statistics and if you blame your results on the poor uneducated then maybe you should just count them out of your sytem to bring up the numbers.

What system has produced more Pulitzer prize winners? What system produced the world's most Nobel winners? What system produced the people that could build a space shuttle program from the ground-up? What system produced some of the world's leading scientists?






By the way, for a system so great, it's amazing yours didn't teach you about commas.






I'm just sayin'.

[hobo]

What system leaves adults wondering why they can't read. 21st century.

Old school - long sentences - 100 words or more - menataly capable of taking it all in at one run.

[RWGR]

What system leaves adults wondering why they can't read. 21st century.

Both of ours, I would imagine.

[hobo]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...cience-reading

[RWGR]

Those numbers are not taken seriously, because countries use different criteria. For instance, Japan only uses criteria of their top students; special needs students do not figure into the equation. The U.S. figures in all its students: high, medium, and low.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Canada do the same as Japan, as they have a penchant for cooking numbers in order to make themselves feel better.

[Westender 3]

Those numbers are not taken seriously, because countries use different criteria. For instance, Japan only uses criteria of their top students; special needs students do not figure into the equation. The U.S. figures in all its students: high, medium, and low.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Canada do the same as Japan, as they have a penchant for cooking numbers in order to make themselves feel better.

Shorter RWGR,


but,but,but....

[hobo]

Sorry I made a mistake with the link in post #. It should have been

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw

I won't argue stats. There is enough scary information about your education system out there to scare a Canadian. Of course there is a lot of blind eye viewing and hindsight and but .. well .. err going on that I am glad it is your system.

http://www.studentsfirst.org/pages/the-stats

[Huggy85]

Translation: "I have no substantive comeback"

"no substantive comeback"
Sounds like every time you resort to "translation".

[RWGR]

"no substantive comeback"
Sounds like every time you resort to "translation".

Awww...you're angry, and that makes me sad