"Sin is Sin"?

[RWGR]

"If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly." (1 John 5:16-17)



"This is only for those whose sin is not deadly"


If there is a sin that is not deadly, there must be a sin that is deadly.

So there are differing levels of sin...or was John a liar?

[dancingqueen]

Does the Bible outline the difference between what constitutes a "deadly" sin and a sin that is not deadly?

[RWGR]

Does the Bible outline the difference between what constitutes a "deadly" sin and a sin that is not deadly?

Yes...sorta.

"know you no that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards nor railers, nor extortioners shall possess the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (Galatians 5:19-20)

Now the "sorta" is this: The Bible is not a lone authority. It even admits as much itself:

2 Timothy 3:16-17
New International Version (NIV)

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

It is "useful", it is not called a sole source. It does not say it is all you need.

So over the years, by guidance of the Holy Spirit, the Church defines what is meant. And in sin, it has, through the writings of some of the greatest minds in antiquity, developed the difference between mortal and venial sins. The Bible is a source of Truth, yet the Bible also says the Church is "the bulwark of Truth". They work in concordance with each other.

The result of denying this connection was exemplified in Soundy's recent posts. At one time he pronounced a particular biblical passage about sin confused him somewhat, and he wasn't sure what to think about it. A half hour later he claimed "a sin is a sin". From lukewarm to hot, in mere minutes. If he truly believes that, then his original comment was a lie. If he doesn't believe what he said, then his last comment was a lie.

Such is the twisted state Protestantism puts one in at times like these. They have nothing to go on but their own limited understanding, or what their preacher tells them. And if what their preacher tells them is different from what the preacher a town over believes (which happens frequently), then it's back to square one, and confusion reigns.

[Blunt]

If there is a sin that is not deadly, there must be a sin that is deadly.

So there are differing levels of sin...or was John a liar?

John was a liar, Soundbear knows best.

[KDawg]

"If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly." (1 John 5:16-17)


"This is only for those whose sin is not deadly"


If there is a sin that is not deadly, there must be a sin that is deadly.

So there are differing levels of sin...or was John a liar?

Which version of the bible does that verse come from? This is the NIV version of that same passage at biblegateway.com:

16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

There's a huge difference between "deadly sin" and "a deadly sin."

[Soundbear]

"16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

It is "useful", it is not called a sole source. It does not say it is all you need."



So why doesn't it say "mostly equipped for every good work"??? And even if it DID say "sole source" it would still be called useful. Your argument doesn't cut it.

A note: To anyone concerned. When RWGR says "Church" he means the Roman Catholic Church. When I say "church" I mean the Body of Christ, which is ALL believers.

[Soundbear]

"Such is the twisted state Protestantism puts one in at times like these. They have nothing to go on but their own limited understanding, or what their preacher tells them."

That sounds familiar. If the Roman Catholic Church doesn't rulle on something, you are lost.

[Soundbear]

Does the Bible outline the difference between what constitutes a "deadly" sin and a sin that is not deadly?

And the response is "Yeah, sorta"????

There IS an unforgivable sin. That is rejecting God. ALL sins, including all those listed by RWGR are forgivable by God. There is no difference. Unrepentant sin is sin, and separates man from God.

[dancingqueen]

So why doesn't it say ....

By your very logic, why doesn't it say anywhere in the Bible "Don't be gay"
Your "argument" doesn't hold any water.

[dancingqueen]

And the response is "Yeah, sorta"????

There IS an unforgivable sin. That is rejecting God. ALL sins, including all those listed by RWGR are forgivable by God. There is no difference. Unrepentant sin is sin, and separates man from God.

Is repented sin not still sin?

[NewCasa]

So where'd that phrase 'seven deadly sins' come from?

[RWGR]

Which version of the bible does that verse come from? This is the NIV version of that same passage at biblegateway.com:
There's a huge difference between "deadly sin" and "a deadly sin."

LOL..., do, praytell, tell us what that great difference is!

[RWGR]

So why doesn't it say "mostly equipped for every good work"??? And even if it DID say "sole source" it would still be called useful. Your argument doesn't cut it.

If that's your reasoning, then this is over before it started. But at least you are admitting you are adding things to the Bible that aren't there.

A note: To anyone concerned. When RWGR says "Church" he means the Roman Catholic Church. When I say "church" I mean the Body of Christ, which is ALL believers.

A note: Soundy has no choice but to mean "all believers" whenever the word "Church" is found in the Bible; yet it is very clear it means both all believers and the Church left by Jesus, through Peter, depending on the context in which it is used.

[RWGR]

And the response is yeah, sorta??

Yet on another thread you came out and told us a particular passage confused you, and you weren't quite comfortable with it. If that isn't a "yeah, sorta'" moment, I don't know what is.

And like I said, just look at how Soundy answers the same question mere minutes apart. In one comment he expresses confusion with a passage; at the next moment he expresses complete certainty that "sin is sin".

Such is how it goes for him and his ilk: Make it up as you go.

[RWGR]

So where'd that phrase 'seven deadly sins' come from?

I'd like Soundy to answer that, but first I'd like him to tell me what this means from John: "If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly." (1 John 5:16-17)








enter Bluesky ...

[Bluesky]

Hi!!! Nice of you to think of me.

[Soundbear]

Hi!!! Nice of you to think of me.

He's obsessed.

[Soundbear]

I'd like Soundy to answer that, but first I'd like him to tell me what this means from John: "If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly." (1 John 5:16-17)



enter Bluesky ...

Let's use a little logic here. When we stand before God, what will be the one "deadly" sin that we might be guilty of. It must be rejection of God. You can list all the sins you can think of, but all can be forgiven but that one.

So, are there "seven deadly sins"? I don't think so. If we depend on Christ's atonement, all other sins will be forgiven.

[Soundbear]

So why doesn't it say "mostly equipped for every good work"??? And even if it DID say "sole source" it would still be called useful. Your argument doesn't cut it.

If that's your reasoning, then this is over before it started. But at least you are admitting you are adding things to the Bible that aren't there.

A note: To anyone concerned. When RWGR says "Church" he means the Roman Catholic Church. When I say "church" I mean the Body of Christ, which is ALL believers.

A note: Soundy has no choice but to mean "all believers" whenever the word "Church" is found in the Bible; yet it is very clear it means both all believers and the Church left by Jesus, through Peter, depending on the context in which it is used.

I'm adding?? Sure.

I don't believe that ANY context church means a particular denomination, i.e. the RCC.

[Soundbear]

Is repented sin not still sin?

Covered by the blood of Jesus, is our usual explanation.