Interpretations

[Soundbear]

I haven't sinned so do I still come short?

I'm dying of something, we're all dying of something, already and it's got nothing to do with sin.

Those are bad examples!

Jack, if you are as holy as God, then you haven't sinned.


Well???

Mind you, what we are supposed to be discussing here is interpretation, not belief. So Jack, tell us what those verses REALLY mean!!!!

[Jack Butler]

Jack, if you are as holy as God, then you haven't sinned.

I never said I was as holy as God or that one even exists.

Well???

A deep hole with water in it.

Mind you, what we are supposed to be discussing here is interpretation, not belief. So Jack, tell us what those verses REALLY mean!!!!

"The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord".

So, you can sin if you believe?
Boy, that lets a lot of people off the hook!

[dancingqueen]

So instead of lengthy discussions ABOUT interpretation, why not discuss an actual Bible verse?

For instance: Let's see how greatly varied the interpretation of this verse might be :

All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

and

The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

Interpret.

So, lets operationally define "sin"

[NewCasa]

...of the bible.

So what don't Blunt, Jack Butler, and Dancing Queen not like when it comes to portions of the bible requiring interpretation?? What do you argue with??

Umm....how about we start with Genesis and work forward

[NewCasa]

So instead of lengthy discussions ABOUT interpretation, why not discuss an actual Bible verse?

For instance: Let's see how greatly varied the interpretation of this verse might be :

All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

and

The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

Interpret.

You need to take both in context with the story that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. So, the bottom line would be that everyone sins - pretty much just by being alive - there's really no way out of it. 'Thou shalt not kill', for example - even making a salad is killing.

But the thing is that, despite our flaws, God so love mankind that he gave his only begotten son, etc....

So there's your interpretation.

But it goes deeper in the context of the human psyche. All of us are driven to strive for perfection. Intellectually, we know that is unattainable, yet we still try to achieve it. In the case of religion, the bar is set - perfection is the only thing acceptable. Otherwise we 'fall short' as says your quote. This leads to guilt on our part. With guilt then being the basis of much of Christianity. Same interpretation, but another facet of it.

[Soundbear]

Jack, if you are as holy as God, then you haven't sinned.

I never said I was as holy as God or that one even exists.

Well???

A deep hole with water in it.

Mind you, what we are supposed to be discussing here is interpretation, not belief. So Jack, tell us what those verses REALLY mean!!!!

"The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord".

So, you can sin if you believe?
Boy, that lets a lot of people off the hook!

I can just see you as a kid saying to your dad as he disciplines you, "This proves you don't love me!!"

[Soundbear]

So, lets operationally define "sin"

OK, but, of course we'll have to look to the bible for that!!!

What did Jesus say??

"
Mark 12:29-31
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
(KJV)

Break those and sin.

[Soundbear]

You need to take both in context with the story that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. So, the bottom line would be that everyone sins - pretty much just by being alive - there's really no way out of it. 'Thou shalt not kill', for example - even making a salad is killing.

But the thing is that, despite our flaws, God so love mankind that he gave his only begotten son, etc....

So there's your interpretation.

But it goes deeper in the context of the human psyche. All of us are driven to strive for perfection. Intellectually, we know that is unattainable, yet we still try to achieve it. In the case of religion, the bar is set - perfection is the only thing acceptable. Otherwise we 'fall short' as says your quote. This leads to guilt on our part. With guilt then being the basis of much of Christianity. Same interpretation, but another facet of it.

Your interpretation is, because "Kill" in King James time meant "murder". Translations, don't you know.

[Jack Butler]

I can just see you as a kid saying to your dad as he disciplines you, "This proves you don't love me!!"

Well, you would be wrong.
My Dad has always been one of my best friends!
....swing and a miss

[NewCasa]

Your interpretation is, because "Kill" in King James time meant "murder". Translations, don't you know.

RWGR tactic #248: Attack a minor discrepancy and avoid dealing with the entire point of the post.

[NewCasa]

I can just see you as a kid saying to your dad as he disciplines you, "This proves you don't love me!!"

Spanking vs. Eternal Damnation.

Possible difference in magnitude of the punishment there. Just saying.

[Jack Butler]

The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Where'd you go Blue?
So, you didn't want to discuss it, you wanted others to discuss it?
...some things never change.

[Soundbear]

RWGR tactic #248: Attack a minor discrepancy and avoid dealing with the entire point of the post.

Whatever you say.

If you have a particular point you want addressed, I'll be glad to accomodate. Beyond that, I just think Jack is being silly.

[Soundbear]

Spanking vs. Eternal Damnation.

Possible difference in magnitude of the punishment there. Just saying.

RWGR's tactics?? Who's he??

[Soundbear]

Well, you would be wrong.
My Dad has always been one of my best friends!
....swing and a miss

Talk about blowing the point.

Not unexpected.

[Soundbear]

What makes you believe that, that is true?

"Evangelical scholars ... doubt that accepting the doctrine of biblical inerrancy is the best way to assert their belief in biblical authority."

The term "inerrancy" is often used by conservative theologians in some religions: in Christianity to refer to the Old and New Testaments, in Islam to refer to the Qur'an, and in other religions to refer to their own holy books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_inerrancy

I still ask the same question, which bible?
While you're at it, why is your interpretation of your bible the one?

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[Jack Butler]

Hey, Jack, be sure to check this out:

http://www.soonet.ca/showthread.php?...ft-for-couples

What the hell does that have to do with it?
....other than the fact that you are wrong in 2 threads!

[Jack Butler]

I can just see you as a kid saying to your dad as he disciplines you, "This proves you don't love me!!"

Well, you would be wrong.
My Dad has always been one of my best friends!
....swing and a miss

Talk about blowing the point.

Not unexpected.

What are you talking about?
I have never said that in my life, never!
And, it's never why me!
My Dad is a big reason why I am who I am and I'm proud of that.
You made an assumption and you were wrong.

[Soundbear]

What are you talking about?
I have never said that in my life, never!
And, it's never why me!
My Dad is a big reason why I am who I am and I'm proud of that.
You made an assumption and you were wrong.

I see why you can't or won't tackle interpreting scripture. Your comprehension is very poor.

[Jack Butler]

What's the point of interpreting something I don't believe or I think is nonsense.
It lets too many people off the hook....member?
I get it, my comprehension is just fine thanks.

...the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Is believing for one day enough?
It doesn't matter what you've done, you'll be saved as long as you believe?