This may generate some interesting discussion

[Soundbear]

Same thing?? IMLTHO, no.

I also have a virtue. I don't jump salty if I interpret the posters words wrong. I at least TRY to remember to get clarification.

[Bluesky]

I am not critiquing your general virtues.

If I do not understand anything about God, or if I don't have "real" understanding about God, it amounts to absolutely the same thing.

[Soundbear]

Semantics AND not what I was thinking.

Let me put it this way. Occurred to me about 4 AM.

Expressed as a percentage, how much can finite man know about God??

Anyone??

[hobo]

approaching 0 % for some - concerning the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven which is where the God of whom you are talking resides.

[Bluesky]

Semantics AND not what I was thinking.

Let me put it this way. Occurred to me about 4 AM.

Expressed as a percentage, how much can finite man know about God??

Anyone??

We can know 100% of what He has revealed to us about Him.
And it isn't semantics. You said we cannot know anything about Him. Posters jumped all over this silly claim.

[Soundbear]

But Blunt, it's guys like you who have a firm grasp of that "poorly conceptualized notions of Gods n popular cultures", neither desire to find out the truth, or even understand what Christians truly believe.

Even your silly avatar makes that perfectly clear.

[Soundbear]

We can know 100% of what He has revealed to us about Him.
And it isn't semantics. You said we cannot know anything about Him. Posters jumped all over this silly claim.

Your first statement is correct of course. And is not where we were. Your second is wrong, IMO. Your third is wrong. And your last is pointless.

[Bluesky]

Just a sidebar on Bluesky's sig. It's not hostility towards God, it's hostility towards the poorly conceptualized notions of Gods in popular cultures.

Mr Lewis employs a common, uninspired play on words to make it sound like Atheists have something personal against God, and in doing so, concede his existence and dispute their own claims... But it's way off the mark.

The faithful love that kind of thing though.

Mr Lewis' experience cannot be denied, because it was his own experience. He was an atheist who followed the evidence and was (in his own words) the most reluctant convert in all of England.

[The Voice]

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Is it just faith to believe that something cannot come from nothing??

Is it just faith to look around at the complexity of this universe, and believe something started it??

Is it just faith to believe that logically, nothing can be created from within itself??

If you believe in none of the above, then YOU have more faith than I.

Don't mention truth again. You look foolish.

I didn't even realize at the time that this was aimed at me.

Fact is you don't know what the truth is any more than I do.

In my opinion you are the one who looks foolish but I wasn't going to go there because I would have thought it was an Insult.

[Soundbear]

Avoiding the points. No surprise there.

[The Voice]

Avoiding the points. No surprise there.

Your points are not proof.

You can type them out all you want, but all they are is your opinion not proof.

If you are saying that I have to except that they are proof, then you are violating my right to freedom from religion.

[Soundbear]

Your points are not proof.

You can type them out all you want, but all they are is your opinion not proof.

If you are saying that I have to except that they are proof, then you are violating my right to freedom from religion.

"Is it just faith to believe that something cannot come from nothing??

Is it just faith to look around at the complexity of this universe, and believe something started it??

Is it just faith to believe that logically, nothing can be created from within itself??"


These aren't proof. They are just questions.

Answer them logically.

[Soundbear]

Taking a week off. Time is 7 PM Sunday.

Voice, I expect a response to each point by then.

[The Voice]

Taking a week off. Time is 7 PM Sunday.

Voice, I expect a response to each point by then.

I have no answer to any of the questions.

IMO there is no logical response.

I have seen you pose these questions in the past as some kind of proof of your omnipresent god.

These statements or questions prove nothing.

The truth is no-one knows the origin of the universe not you, not the christian's, not the hindu's, not the athiests, no-one.

[Bluesky]

[Retsevets]

C.S Lewis also said this "I was at this time living, like so many Atheists or Anti-theists, in a whirl of contradictions. I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry at God for not existing. I was equally angry at Him for creating a world."

Um, thats not what an athiest would say by any stretch...agnostic maybe (still doubt full but at least more possible), but an athiest, how can you be angry at something you don;t think exsists?

[RWGR]

Why do atheists spend so much time and energy debating something that doesn't exist?

[Bluesky]

C.S Lewis also said this "I was at this time living, like so many Atheists or Anti-theists, in a whirl of contradictions. I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry at God for not existing. I was equally angry at Him for creating a world."

Um, thats not what an athiest would say by any stretch...agnostic maybe (still doubt full but at least more possible), but an athiest, how can you be angry at something you don;t think exsists?

You must realize that he did not write this until after his conversion to Christianity. As an atheist, he would no doubt never have admitted this dissonance.

[Bluesky]

Why do atheists spend so much time and energy debating something that doesn't exist?

I know of no other religions that have such a strong anti-movement. Are there apologists writing against the Hindu faith? Are there those who argue with Muslims to show them their faulty reasoning for believing in Allah (in countries where there is freedom to do so of course)?

Perhaps it is because of the evangelical and exclusive nature of Christianity that creates this pushback. Our proclamation of the Gospel lends itself to an either/or kind of response. Either trust Christ or miss the boat.

[RWGR]

I know of no other religions that have such a strong anti-movement. Are there apologists writing against the Hindu faith? Are there those who argue with Muslims to show them their faulty reasoning for believing in Allah (in countries where there is freedom to do so of course)?

Perhaps it is because of the evangelical and exclusive nature of Christianity that creates this pushback. Our proclamation of the Gospel lends itself to an either/or kind of response. Either trust Christ or miss the boat.

That is part of it, no doubt. But the other part, though not quantifiable, is that deep ingrained in every human 'heart' or 'soul' is the knowledge that God does indeed exist.