Judge not??

[Soundbear]

Tired of telling people to look up what they quote.


Matt 7:1-29
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

DON'T STOP HERE!!

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

FAIR ENOUGH, THE WAY IT SHOULD BE, BUT LET'S GO ON:

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

HOW DO WE TELL WHAT IS HOLY AND WHAT ARE DOGS?? JUDGING.

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

GOLDEN RULE

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

GOD'S JUDGEMENT

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

HOW DO WE KNOW?? WE JUDGE.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

GOD'S JUDGEMENT AGAIN

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

GOD'S ETERNAL CONDEMNATION

28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.




Can we judge?? Of course. We MUST in our everyday lives judge others to determine our interaction with them.

So don't be so quick to throw out that "Judge not.." line. Makes no sense.

[Jack Butler]

So, that makes you a sinner?

[Soundbear]

So, that makes you a sinner?

What exactly??

[Jack Butler]

If you judge.

[Soundbear]

If you judge.

No. Read it again. Judging is part of life.

[RWGR]

Judging in one sense of the word is indeed a sin. Discernment is never a sin. Perhaps a better choice of words would clarify the issue.

[Soundbear]

I agree. But "discernment" is not a commonly understood word, outside Christian circles, IMO.

[Jack Butler]

No. Read it again. Judging is part of life.

So, judging and sinning is part of life?
Or is it you can use discernment, but don't judge?

[official soonet pu$$ycat]

No. Read it again. Judging is part of life.

Oooooh so God wants you to judge single parents but it is he who will condemn them and their unstable children.

Just as an example.

[Jack Butler]

I agree. But "discernment" is not a commonly understood word, outside Christian circles, IMO.

Well discernment sure ain't judgement, the meaning aren't even close!

So, if discernment is the proper word, than that leaves your OP as bad advice.

[Soundbear]

So, judging and sinning is part of life?
Or is it you can use discernment, but don't judge?

Seems you want to classify judging as sinning. I don't think it is. We make judgements all the time, without sinning.

Discernment is the same as making a judgement, IMO. We judge situations or people, and decide whether or not to get involved or interact.

There are two issues. One is made clear in the passage. Don't judge someone for something you yourself are guilty of. Please note that the biblical instruction is to fix your own problem NOT that we can't judge. The other bad thing to do is to judge someone in a prejudicial way. As in judging because of skin colour.

[Soundbear]

Well discernment sure ain't judgement, the meaning aren't even close!

So, if discernment is the proper word, than that leaves your OP as bad advice.

I believe they are close. Why don't you post the dictionary definitions.


Back later.

[Jack Butler]

Discernment is the ability to grasp or to comprehend or to perceive.
No where in the definition does it say judge.

That leaves your OP in question.
Judging is sinful, discernment is not!

[Soundbear]

Discernment is the ability to grasp or to comprehend or to perceive.
No where in the definition does it say judge.

That leaves your OP in question.
Judging is sinful, discernment is not!

Not at all, Jack, and the following possible example just occured to me.

A judge in a court makes judgements on the guilt or innocence of an accused. He judges. If found guilty, he sentences, or condemns. BUT, if the accused is found innocent, we would not say that the judge did not "judge".

That's why I see a difference between judging and condemnation.

[Soundbear]

For the record:

Judge, as verb

6. to pass legal judgment on; pass sentence on (a person): The court judged him guilty.
7. to hear evidence or legal arguments in (a case) in order to pass judgment; adjudicate; try: The Supreme Court is judging that case.
8. to form a judgment or opinion of; decide upon critically: You can't judge a book by its cover.
9. to decide or settle authoritatively; adjudge: The censor judged the book obscene and forbade its sale.
10. to infer, think, or hold as an opinion; conclude about or assess: He judged her to be correct.

Discern
1. to perceive by the sight or some other sense or by the intellect; see, recognize, or apprehend: They discerned a sail on the horizon.
2. to distinguish mentally; recognize as distinct or different; discriminate: He is incapable of discerning right from wrong.

Adverb (used without object)
3. to distinguish or discriminate.


Synonyms to discern
1. discover, descry, espy. See notice. 2, 3. differentiate, judge.

[Jack Butler]

So, you have to be a judge to judge?
That makes sense, seeing that is their job description.
It's not like they do it away from the job, necessarily.

All I said was discernment and judging aren't even close and you bring in condemnation.

[Soundbear]

So, you have to be a judge to judge?
That makes sense, seeing that is their job description.
It's not like they do it away from the job, necessarily.

All I said was discernment and judging aren't even close and you bring in condemnation.

Well, you are welcome to your opinion I guess. I'm just looking at the bible verses, and considering the uses of the words.

I do note that judge is a synonym of discern. Seems to me that's close.

[Jack Butler]

Trouble is it says a whole bunch of things it doesn't mean.

And, through interpretation, it can say things that it hasn't.

Than, the meaning of what is said has to be interpreted.

[kalam]

Hi Soundbear,

There are two issues. One is made clear in the passage. Don't judge someone for something you yourself are guilty of.

I believe you have stated in the past (please correct me if I am wrong) that we (all humans) are guilty of sinning. Following that, the "issue" which is made clear in that passage, is that neither you, I or anyone else other than God, should be judging others for sinning.

KaL

[Soundbear]

Hi Soundbear,
I believe you have stated in the past (please correct me if I am wrong) that we (all humans) are guilty of sinning. Following that, the "issue" which is made clear in that passage, is that neither you, I or anyone else other than God, should be judging others for sinning.

KaL

Hi, kalam, welcome back!!

I'm sorry, I just guess it's a matter of understanding what words mean. I don't see "judging" as wrong (see my example above about the judge and the innocent). It's condemning we are not to do, and I confess, that can be a problem to us as sinners.

We make judgements every day, in where we go, what we do, people we do and don't interact with. If I, for example, step out of the way of a 300 pound guy in biker leathers walking toward me, I've made a judgement that it would be unwise to get in his way. Am I condemning him? Not at all. I might even interact with him later, having been introduced, and finding him to be a very nice gentleman.

And I use THAT example from up close, personal experience!!!

Judge yes, discern, yes, condemn, no.

Semantics?? Maybe. But, just my opinion.