Why?

[The Berean]

Maybe it has something to do with something the USA holds as dear.

Separation of church and state.

The Roman Catholic Church WAS the state in so many countries. It had power over kings, putting fear for their eternal souls into the people to the point where the church controlled everything. Even the pressure of famine and war would not seriously affect the church, since tithes (remember the fear) MUST supply the church first, and, likely in any war, BOTH SIDES were part of the same church, whose power crossed all national boundaries.

Mabe thats simple, but it sure explains why the RC church didnt fall.

[The Berean]

"Is the bible that vague?"

No not really.

The bible we have today is much better than the one the Catholics depend on, a latin bible translated some 1700 years ago.

Since that time, over 30,000 portions of scripture have come to light, giving us a much better idea of the itent of the original writers, whose writngs we believe were inerrant.

[GenX]

But other earthly powers had much greater power than the RCC.

Why didn't it fail if it was (is) this pseudo-super state you claim? It's been almost one thousand years since the Catholic Church had the power of a mega-state that you claim (a claim you make borderline comical with the amount of power you insist the Church had).

One thousand years!!! Look how many superpowers have come and gone in that time!

Why didn't the RCC go the way of the other superpowers?

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since that time, over 30,000 portions of scripture have come to light, giving us a much better idea of the itent of the original writers, whose writngs we believe were inerrant </div></div>

Define "come to light", please.

[Larimar]

oh lordy. define come to light? Means hidden things came out of the dark, does it not?

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> giving us a much better idea of the itent of the original writers</div></div>

But the early Church fathers were much, much closer to the day and age of the original gospel writers. Surely much of the vernacular used in 70 AD was still around in 125 AD, or 160 AD, or 212 AD, when many of the early Church fathers wrote. Are we to believe people 1,700 years removed from the gospels knew how to interpret them better than people of the age of the gospels?

And while we are at it...how come not one of the early Church fathers wrote anything that Protestants can look to so as to support their claims against the RCC?

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DreamSpirit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">oh lordy. define come to light? Means hidden things came out of the dark, does it not? </div></div>

And how did these things "come out of the dark" for these interpreters?

I'll let you sleep on that one, I'm hittin' the hay.

[Larimar]

How would I know. I just know what words mean is all. If you want to know something I don't understand why you don't just ask bluntly-like you asking me the question you probbaly meant to ast ConKat but instead u asked what's come to light mean..Sometimes it seems you'd rather play with words and dance in circles than actually discuss something with people who may not see things the way you do.

[Larimar]

Could their power and standing have anything to do with the fact that at one time those who didn't agree with them were executed as heretics? That would have kept them standing for quite some time-wouldnt it?. Or the fact that there were forgeries made ? (If you are knowledgable on them and their use to claim power)
Or the fact that people believed that giving money to the big churches meant they were forgiven for their sins?
I think it continued on for a lot of reasons...This is my belief.

[sixgs]

Did Catholicism start 500 years before Christianity?? Just asking as I am unsure of where this 500 year time line is from?


D.S

[Larimar]

How could it? Weren't there followers of Christ b4 any buildings or lables were made?

[The Berean]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But other earthly powers had much greater power than the RCC.

Why didn't it fail if it was (is) this pseudo-super state you claim? It's been almost one thousand years since the Catholic Church had the power of a mega-state that you claim (a claim you make borderline comical with the amount of power you insist the Church had).

One thousand year!!! Look how many superpowers have come and gone in that time!

Why didn't the RCC go the way of the other superpowers? </div></div>

1000 years?? Not that long. The church was burning people at the stake much more recently, and its hold of fear on the common man is still in effect.
In the mind of simple folk (the real support behind any super-power) what is the power of man beside the power to condemn a soul, which is the hold the church had.

Im done with this topic. You may now do your usual!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[The Berean]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DreamSpirit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would I know. I just know what words mean is all. If you want to know something I don't understand why you don't just ask bluntly-like you asking me the question you probbaly meant to ast ConKat but instead u asked what's come to light mean..Sometimes it seems you'd rather play with words and dance in circles than actually discuss something with people who may not see things the way you do. </div></div>

Cha-ching!!

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dwight Shrute</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did Catholicism start 500 years before Christianity?? Just asking as I am unsure of where this 500 year time line is from?


D.S </div></div>

What 500 year timeline?

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im done with this topic </div></div>

That's a good call on your part.

I'd say quit while your ahead, but you passed that point when you said you knew nothing about the history of this issue but nevertheless threw a juvenile answer out there anyway.

Wonder if we'll get any serious takers on this issue...

[The Berean]

"..you said you knew nothing about the history of this issue"

Another lie. Getting to be a habit, Speedy.

One of the better ways to express onself on the net is to stse your opinion and move on.

You will notice that Speedy did not addres the points I brought up, which is a common tactic of his. Hes not interested in making any actual points just in winning the argument - at least in his own mind.

Enjoy Speedy.

[GenX]

What points??? If you brought up any points, please show me where! Because 95% of your posts are just personal attacks, or saying" yeah, what he said" when agreeing with another poster.

And while we're on the subject, you still didn't answer my question: how is it people 1,700 years removed from the gospels are better interpreters of them than people who were 50, 100, and 150 years removed from them?

[The Berean]

"The Roman Catholic Church WAS the state in so many countries. It had power over kings, putting fear for their eternal souls into the people to the point where the church controlled everything. Even the pressure of famine and war would not seriously affect the church, since tithes (remember the fear) MUST supply the church first, and, likely in any war, BOTH SIDES were part of the same church, whose power crossed all national boundaries.

Mabe thats simple, but it sure explains why the RC church didnt fall."

or

"Could their power and standing have anything to do with the fact that at one time those who didn't agree with them were executed as heretics?"

or

"The church was burning people at the stake much more recently, and its hold of fear on the common man is still in effect.
In the mind of simple folk (the real support behind any super-power) what is the power of man beside the power to condemn a soul, which is the hold the church had."

I suppose you might call the above arguments juvenile or personal attacks. But they are not. Just becasue you dont like an answer doesnt reduce its value.

Does the RC church have God behind it?? Probably. Are there other reasons it has hung togehter as an institution. Absolutly.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does the RC church have God behind it?? Probably </div></div>


Interesting.

So...what does that say about the other churches that dismiss Roman Catholic doctrine? Surely God doesn't waver in truth, does he?

[Soundbear]

This thread isn't about that.