Gender 're-assignment'

[MagicFingers]

As for danica she and others have the same ability to get sponsers....so she has never beat someone who has better sponsers or more money...? As for danica yep a lot has to do with the mechanics of a car....but all drivers have the same ability. They still have to have certain requirements on their cars if her team is able to put together a better car then that makes her and her team better, it is still and equal playing field. They are not giving her a head start because she is female, they are not slowing down because she is female she has to abide by the same rules and expectations as all other nascar drivers, if she and her daddy are able to put together a better team so be it. Much like hockey.....in this day in age it is the management who can and will buy the best players....Can the maple leafs win the cup YEP if management spent the money to do so. Does it mean that the leafs or any other team is on a different playing field NOPE just means some are willing to spend the money they all play by the same rules.

[Soundbear]

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[Jack Butler]

As for danica she and others have the same ability to get sponsers....so she has never beat someone who has better sponsers or more money...? As for danica yep a lot has to do with the mechanics of a car....but all drivers have the same ability. They still have to have certain requirements on their cars if her team is able to put together a better car then that makes her and her team better, it is still and equal playing field. They are not giving her a head start because she is female, they are not slowing down because she is female she has to abide by the same rules and expectations as all other nascar drivers, if she and her daddy are able to put together a better team so be it. Much like hockey.....in this day in age it is the management who can and will buy the best players....Can the maple leafs win the cup YEP if management spent the money to do so. Does it mean that the leafs or any other team is on a different playing field NOPE just means some are willing to spend the money they all play by the same rules.

The others don't have the same oppurtunity to get sponsers, that's absurd.
And, that's a safe statement that she hasn't beat someone with the same money and equipment.

All drivers don't have the same ability, that's what I'm trying to tell you.
The right equipment is eveything!
You would have to follow the sport to understand how uneven it is.

And, it's GoDaddy, not her daddy! Google it!

Ha ha...Burke had money left, he just choked!

[The Handyman]

Strength in sports is everything. Women aren't even a man's equal in curling because of the strength issue. Yes, the 5'4" man would demolish the 6' woman one on one, .... he competes every day against 6'8"+ men and keeps his job, .... a 6' woman isn't going to be much of a roadblock.

[Soundbear]

Strength in sports is everything. Women aren't even a man's equal in curling because of the strength issue. Yes, the 5'4" man would demolish the 6' woman one on one, .... he competes every day against 6'8"+ men and keeps his job, .... a 6' woman isn't going to be much of a roadblock.

Be interesting to find out.

BTW, that woman basketball player was 6'7". Large. And the smallest male NBA 5'3".

[Soundbear]

BTW, Handy would YOU believe a testimony of wife to husband physical abuse??

The other's wouldn't go there, not surprisinly.

[MagicFingers]

The others don't have the same oppurtunity to get sponsers, that's absurd.
And, that's a safe statement that she hasn't beat someone with the same money and equipment.

All drivers don't have the same ability, that's what I'm trying to tell you.
The right equipment is eveything!
You would have to follow the sport to understand how uneven it is.

And, it's GoDaddy, not her daddy! Google it!

Ha ha...Burke had money left, he just choked!

So first you say she can't beat a man at a mans sport but if she does its cause she has more money and better opportunity? So she is beating men at their own sport. Can you clarify for me just how nascar changed the rules for her so she has an advantage over every other man she is competing with. Is she not still playing within the exact same rules as all the other participants or did they change the rules just for her because of her anatomy.

[Soundbear]

Eventually an argument like this becomes about considering onself right, rather than actually considering another point of view.

[riggs]

BTW, Handy would YOU believe a testimony of wife to husband physical abuse??

The other's wouldn't go there, not surprisinly.

I see you need to put words in my mouth in order to carry on your failed attempt. You have failed to provide proof (though I'm not surprised) In case you're not familiar with the law, you can easily find examples of spousal abuse......enlighten yourself.....

Who would that be?

[riggs]

Eventually an argument like this becomes about considering onself right, rather than actually considering another point of view.

If you were Catholic I'd consider that a confession................

[Soundbear]

[The Handyman]

BTW, Handy would YOU believe a testimony of wife to husband physical abuse??

The other's wouldn't go there, not surprisinly.

I know it happens, but it isn't a sport. We are talking about women competing with men on an even playing field in sports, .... that doesn't happen in spousal abuse, so there is no comparison.

[The Handyman]

There is a very real error being committed on this thread, .... people are equating Nascar with being a sport of athletic endeavor, .... turn left, turn left, turn left, ...... I know, they throw in a token road course once in a while, but back to the main theme, .... turn left. turn left, .... turn left, ....

[Jack Butler]

So first you say she can't beat a man at a mans sport but if she does its cause she has more money and better opportunity? So she is beating men at their own sport. Can you clarify for me just how nascar changed the rules for her so she has an advantage over every other man she is competing with. Is she not still playing within the exact same rules as all the other participants or did they change the rules just for her because of her anatomy.

First, I said you have to compare apples to apples.
You can't take a guy off a park bench and a woman from the Olympic team.
And, that is what you are doing!

The money and the right opportunity is everything.
The rules don't have to be different, it's obvious you don't understand.
The truth is that the teams she is with would be able to afford thing the other team can't, so, as a result, it's not even the same equipment.

It's like, GoDaddy...did you goggle it?
How can you think it was her daddy and still try and go on like you know what you are talking about?

Does you remember "Eddy The Eagle"!
I think every female that competed in ski jumping beat him.

Thing is, it doesn't prove a damn thing because we're not comparing apples to apples!

[MagicFingers]

First, I said you have to compare apples to apples.
You can't take a guy off a park bench and a woman from the Olympic team.
And, that is what you are doing!

Really prove these men are off a park bench....please provide a link to their background

The money and the right opportunity is everything.
The rules don't have to be different, it's obvious you don't understand.
The truth is that the teams she is with would be able to afford thing the other team can't, so, as a result, it's not even the same equipment.
She is still competing in the same league...so you mean to tell me she is only beating those who have less money. Can you provide me a link that all the men she beat has lesser sponsers and lesser opportunity. PROOF please
It's like, GoDaddy...did you goggle it?
How can you think it was her daddy and still try and go on like you know what you are talking about?

Does you remember "Eddy The Eagle"!
I think every female that competed in ski jumping beat him.

Thing is, it doesn't prove a damn thing because we're not comparing apples to apples!

No you don't like that we provided proof and you are trying to find a way out. They are still all competing at the olympic level......or nascar level and competing within the same rules and expectations. We aren't comparing eddy eagle I don't even know if a woman would have beat him I didn't go there. Lets keep with the examples we are using.

FACT danica is competing in a mens sport and beating some of them, sometimes she is beating some men that have better sponsers and more money than her. Despite your argument that she has an advantage she doesn't you are splitting hairs. There are rules, expectations, limitations that NASCAR has that EVERYONE must abide by. They made no exceptions to her. Everyone else has the same opportunity as her but if they can't come up with the cash or refuse to spend it to get a win that doesn't make her less of a competitor. SO are we going to say that NHL teams that win the cup have an unfair advantage because they spent more money. NO they won under the same rules all other teams had to play by. It was an equal playing field.

As for comparing the female swimmer we can compare her to other female swimmers did she have an unfare advantage. do we say that you can't compete unless your swim program meets certain criteria or your coach is a certain level. As far as I know that is not a requirement. Everyone who went to the olympics had the same opportunities. I only chose the first 5 heats there are higher heats that she beat men i just started down the list. Fact is she was still faster then some men....I stated there will always be A woman who can be A man in the same league. The best woman may possibly beat the worst man and I proved that. Never once did I say that a woman would be a rated 1 male.

[Jack Butler]

Ha ha ha ....you don't get it!

You keep saying everyone has the same opportunity for sponsorship and they don't.

She has one of the biggest followings and she hasn't won anything...can you say Anna Kornacova(sp)?
The fact that she is a female in a male sports kinda helps, don't ya think?

It doesn't make her less of a competitor, but it does give her a huge advantage....huge!

Teams in the NHL that win have mostly Canadian players...there's a salary cap, member!

It's a safe bet to say that your swimmers can't compete if your program and coaches aren't world class.

It all boils down to money. Some countries have no chance of competing, little own win. You see it every Olympics.

I don't think you have proved much.

I never debated the fact that best women could beat the worst man.

When that comparison is on a level playing field, the man is gonna win.

[riggs]

There is a very real error being committed on this thread, .... people are equating Nascar with being a sport of athletic endeavor, ....

We had to cut her some slack Handy. I mean, she's trying to compare the athleticism of a woman to a man. As Jack said, it's apples to oranges and the reality of it has left a bad taste in her mouth.

[The Handyman]

Whoa, .... what a ramble, .... really hard to make sense of it, but I will comment regardless.

The foremost thing is that the best woman (not second best, but best) will never beat the best man head to head in a sport where there is no outside influence by other humans (such as Nascar pit crews, etc.) A man's physiology makes him bigger, stronger, and faster, .... they were made that way for a purpose.

Not everyone that competes in the Olympics starts with the same opportunity. Sports Canada doles out millions of dollars every year to elite athletes to train for events like the Olympics where they will represent Canada. The average Canadian athlete who might want to vie for an Olympic berth would first have to knock off one of these elite athletes who have the advantage of an unlimited amount of time and money for training, as well as access to the best training and medical staff, .... the average Canadian athlete doesn't even have a chance to try for a spot even if they trained themselves and were the best, ..... Olympians are pre-ordained by the Canadian Olympic Committee. For all of it's glorification, the Olympics is the dirtiest athletic endeavor that exists today.

Your hockey comparison is not well researched. While teams are limited by a salary cap to provide player salaries, they are not restricted when hiring hockey gurus to coach, manage, and draft a team within the cap parameters. The big market teams will always do better (on average) because they can buy these hockey gurus out from under the smaller market teams, ... it happens in all sports. it may not be the answer to always winning the cup, but it sure give some teams a strong head start in the right direction.

[The Handyman]

Anna Kornacova (sp?), .... forgot about that one, .....lol!

[riggs]

It's a safe bet to say that your swimmers can't compete if your program and coaches aren't world class.

Rank Lane Name Nationality Time Notes
1 4 Stewart Glenister American Samoa 25.45
2 3 Hamza Abdo Palestine 25.60
3 5 Kyaw Zin Myanmar 26.17
4 6 Tural Abbasov Azerbaijan 26.31
5 1 Ponloeu Hemthon Cambodia 27.39
6 7 Prasiddha Shah Nepal 27.59
7 8 Gilbert Kaburu Uganda 27.72
8 2 Ahmed Adam Sudan 30.12

Heat 5 (beat them all

1 7 Alain Brigion Tobe Cameroon 24.53
2 5 Sidni Hoxha Albania 24.56
3 4 Zane Jordan Zambia 24.82
4 3 Andrey Molchanov Turkmenistan 25.02
5 6 Kerson Hadley Micronesia 25.34
6 1 John Kamyuka Botswana 25.54
7 2 Adil Baig ****stan 25.66
8 8 Olivier Kouassi Brou Côte d'Ivoire 26.08