Gender 're-assignment'

[MagicFingers]

Hormones won't change the pelvis. I don't know about muscle mass.

Never said it changed the pelvis....but hormone therapy does change the muscle mass. So can't and won't argue with you.

[riggs]

You've moved the post so many times it's impossible for anyone to hit the net. If she was out there, she would be marketed. It would be big money and publicity for many sports. She simply does not exist. No matter how the rules are changed (even to the benefit of the women) she would not be able to compete. You already know the answer why. The male body is built more in line with this type of competition. It's nothing to be ashamed of. It's merely genetics. Equality does not exist between males and females regardless of the want for equality in sports.

Posted from 2 hours ago..................note the key words.........competitive and equality the swimmer does not qualify if she can't compete against men. They are in 2 separate classes because women would never be in the running. She wouldn't have even qualified for Norm B let alone Norm A

[Soundbear]

Posted from 2 hours ago..................note the key words.........competitive and equality the swimmer does not qualify if she can't compete against men. They are in 2 separate classes because women would never be in the running. She wouldn't have even qualified for Norm B let alone Norm A

Not the point.

Note my two statements. Which one do you agree with??

"Please agree with one of the following statements:

Some women are stronger than some men.

No woman is stronger than any man."

[riggs]

In regards to sports, genders are separated for a reason. If women want to compete against men, it'll be their loss. Why is it we don't see women fighting to bridge this? They don't because they won't even qualify for a majority of the events. And the ones that do, won't finish on the podium.

I wonder if the idea of a transgender pageant would be out of the question?

Posted from 3 days ago.

[riggs]

Not the point.

Note my two statements. Which one do you agree with??

"Please agree with one of the following statements:

Some women are stronger than some men.

No woman is stronger than any man."

It is the original point and no I will not change the origin of my argument to make you happy. You changed it for reasons only known to you.

[Soundbear]

Fine riggs.

Thanks for the discussion.

[The Berean]

Human nature is interesting.

[Soundbear]

Human nature is interesting.

Oh yeah, isn't it!!

[riggs]

Human nature is interesting.

And the lengths they'll go to..................quite the eye opener

[MagicFingers]

Point is had she been swimming with the men she still would have beat out those 34+ men....She may not have made it to finals which I never said she would I said she would beat out A man and she did 34+ men she beat.

[riggs]

Point is had she been swimming with the men she still would have beat out those 34+ men....She may not have made it to finals which I never said she would I said she would beat out A man and she did 34+ men she beat.

Point is she would never be competitive therefore they would never be able to compete because men would control the field as I originally posted days ago.

[MagicFingers]

what don't you understand her time was still faster then those other men.....so she was still faster than those other men you said NO WOMAN can be faster than ANY MAN. quit trying to find loop holes or using your own semantics. Faster is faster, put her in the same heats as those other men and she would have beat them out.

[riggs]

what don't you understand her time was still faster then those other men.....so she was still faster than those other men you said NO WOMAN can be faster than ANY MAN. quit trying to find loop holes or using your own semantics. Faster is faster, put her in the same heats as those other men and she would have beat them out.

Show me my quote where I said "NO WOMAN can be faster than ANY MAN"......

[riggs]

In regards to sports, genders are separated for a reason. If women want to compete against men, it'll be their loss. Why is it we don't see women fighting to bridge this? They don't because they won't even qualify for a majority of the events. And the ones that do, won't finish on the podium.

I wonder if the idea of a transgender pageant would be out of the question?

The word "activity" encompasses or can be applied to almost everything we do. I'm sure there are many things that women can compete or "be the equals" to men. But there's no possible way sports would be included in that.

You've moved the post so many times it's impossible for anyone to hit the net. If she was out there, she would be marketed. It would be big money and publicity for many sports. She simply does not exist. No matter how the rules are changed (even to the benefit of the women) she would not be able to compete. You already know the answer why. The male body is built more in line with this type of competition. It's nothing to be ashamed of. It's merely genetics. Equality does not exist between males and females regardless of the want for equality in sports.

Then you can tell me who the exception to the rule is because nothing comes to mind? .....name.......sport........records she might hold....... anything that would indicate her ability to be as good or better than a male athlete.

In a sport where 100's and even 1000's of a second can be the difference three seconds is not even a contender.

Yet all the records in every sport are held by males therefore they could never compete head to head..............

The qualifying norms for the 2008 event were 22.35 seconds (A norm) and 23.13 seconds (B norm). NOCs with two or more swimmers meeting the A standard could enter any two such swimmers; otherwise, they could enter a single swimmer meeting the B standard.

She wouldn't even have qualified for the B norm in mens

Even more simple..............not competitive

Who were not competitive.....You know like the Jamaican Bobsled team

Do you understand now? My stance has always been about being competitive.

[Soundbear]

Well, competitive is not what we were talking about, since it hardly applies when women aren't allowed to compete head to head with men.

But some women are still faster and stronger than some men.

I hope you get that.

[The Voice]

Racing is the same thing. If Danica couldn't compete, she would NEVER qualify, because, on a given race day, not everyone does.

Ok so you understand in car racing it is the driver and the car right?

Not just the driver.

She is in top notch equipment she should challenge for the pole every weekend not just qualify.

She is the most overated female in sports.

She is in the minor league of nascar and there is a huge disparagy in money and equipment.

She is a marketing machine with money coming out of the yazoo.

Some guys start and park most weekends because that is all they can afford to do.

[riggs]

Hello all,

Curious - are there other sports or activities where men and women compete against each other as equals?KaL

Above quote from page 1.............3rd post

Well, competitive is not what we were talking about.

[The Voice]

Hayley Wickenheiser Played pro hockey in europe.

[Soundbear]

Ok so you understand in car racing it is the driver and the car right?

Not just the driver.

She is in top notch equipment she should challenge for the pole every weekend not just qualify.

She is the most overated female in sports.

She is in the minor league of nascar and there is a huge disparagy in money and equipment.

She is a marketing machine with money coming out of the yazoo.

Some guys start and park most weekends because that is all they can afford to do.

No driver, no qualifying.

Does she qualify dead last every time??

If not, then she's better than some of the men.

[riggs]

Hayley Wickenheiser Played pro hockey in europe.

With the exception of a few elite players (who have held NHL contracts)....Jagr and others Europe is where they go because they can't get an NHL contract