Those Pesky Iranians

[RWGR]

Iran’s Basij Press is claiming that a version of the Gospel of Barnabas, found in 2000, will prove that Islam is the final and righteous religion and the revelation will cause the collapse worldwide of Christianity.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/iran-disc...-christianity/

[SSMP]

Let me know when you guys figure out which is the true religion.

[Soundbear]

Let me know when you guys figure out which is the true religion.

The real question is, do you really want to know??

[Soundbear]

Iran’s Basij Press is claiming that a version of the Gospel of Barnabas, found in 2000, will prove that Islam is the final and righteous religion and the revelation will cause the collapse worldwide of Christianity.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/iran-disc...-christianity/

"The Turkish army has taken possession of the Barnabas Gospel because the “Zionists” and the governments of the West are trying to suppress its contents, Basij Press claims."

ThERE's a qualified, unbiased bunch to study an ancient text!!!

[Soundbear]

Nice attempt at deflection.

Really?? Didn't you notice the next post??

Besides, (whether you believe it or don't), from my point of view, arguing over the authenticity of something like this isn't all that important, in the light of eternity.

[Soundbear]

Just occured to me to laugh out loud.

Some folks desparately want this to be real, but they reject that other ancient text outright, the bible!!!

[Anapeg]

Here-in lay's one of my points, each and every religion claims to be "The One" and decrys others as imposters. Christians can't even agree on what should and should not be in the Bible. You, each in turn interprets or puts your spin on "The Holy Word" while each proclaiming to be the only worthy rendering of said script. There is no way to defend these discrepancies well enough to salve the concerns of those of us on the periphery.

[Soundbear]

And what discrepancies would those be??

So often a list will pop up of "bible contradictions". But I don't thnk anyone has ever really wanted answers to those supposed contradictions.


As I said above, "arguing over the authenticity of something like this isn't all that important, in the light of eternity. "

Jesus made it simple. Love God. Love your neighbor. I see no contradictions in that.

[Bluesky]

Anapeg said

Christians can't even agree on what should and should not be in the Bible.

More than 2 billion Christians agree with about 95% of what should be in the Bible. The 5% over which we disagree (and sometimes rigorously, as you have seen here on Soonet) are not over issues that are central to our respective faiths.

We all believe that Jesus Christ is God incarnate, is a resurrected Saviour and is coming again to make all things right. That's pretty essential. And we agree on that statement.

Nothing in the few texts over which we disagree is of critical importance.

But most of the disagreements you have been witness to is over the interpretation of those sections of the Bible that we all accept as the inspired Word of God.

[Anapeg]

Blue and SB are both disregarding the F A C T that Christians kill Christians and Islamic kill everybody else all in the name of Religion. If that is over the afore mentioned 5 % then God help you if this supposedly "new" information causes any greater rift than already exists. Put two Christians unknown to one another, start a religions discussion on their differing faiths then sit back and watch the fur fly. Each and every one comes away from church with views they will fight and if necessary die for. I was going to mention the argy bargy over books that are or are not in the Bible then I remembered stupid arguments simply over interpretation of paragraphs and and even wordings wordings. Only 5% disagree, ya right.

[Soundbear]

Blue and SB are both disregarding the F A C T that Christians kill Christians and Islamic kill everybody else all in the name of Religion. If that is over the afore mentioned 5 % then God help you if this supposedly "new" information causes any greater rift than already exists. Put two Christians unknown to one another, start a religions discussion on their differing faiths then sit back and watch the fur fly. Each and every one comes away from church with views they will fight and if necessary die for. I was going to mention the argy bargy over books that are or are not in the Bible then I remembered stupid arguments simply over interpretation of paragraphs and and even wordings wordings. Only 5% disagree, ya right.

My kids go to four different churches. No problem.

I think you exaggerate.

If they don't follow Jesus words above, how can they be Christians??

All these stats (5%), so little actual content.

[Anapeg]

Ah, so I err, you all get along swimmingly. No Holy wars, Iran, Iraq and the rest are just so happy their belly buttons are puckering and unpuckering all over the place. That other crap with Ireland and the rest was some atheist putting his spin on things. You, Blue and the other fella are disputing an old recipe.

[Soundbear]

Where two people get together in any kind of organizational structure, there will eventually be conflict.

This does not mean that the organizational structure is at fault, especially where the rules of the organization give explicit instructions against conflict. It merely means that human nature sometimes overcomes the best of intentions.

[Bluesky]

Anapeg, first you said,

Christians can't even agree on what should and should not be in the Bible.

With your subsequent posts, you are changing the argument. C'mon man, play fair.

[Bluesky]

Oh and BTW

Iran Discovery Will Collapse Christianity?
from Stand to Reason Blog by Melinda
Hardly. A "Gospel of Barnabas," purportedly by one of Jesus' apostles, has surfaced in Iran. It supposedly predicts Muhammed's coming, which would surpass Jesus. But here's the only relevant fact - it dates to the 5th or 6th century, and it has no textual history earlier than that to tie it to Jesus' apostle.

All of the so-called gnostic gospels date more than 100 years after Jesus with no earlier textual evidence. Most date to the 2nd and 3rd century with nothing to tie them to an eyewitness.

There are all kinds of ancient books that people claim are "lost" from Christianity or unfairly excluded. The key to always look at is the date of the book and if there's anything to tie it to an eyewitness. That's what sets apart the Biblical Gospels and gives them authority.

Once again, keep moving along, folks. Nothing to look at here.
http://str.typepad.com/weblog/2012/0...istianity.html

[Anapeg]

Anapeg, first you said,

With your subsequent posts, you are changing the argument. C'mon man, play fair.

I don't think I change stance but perhaps, my point is/was/will be, you are all right so you must all be wrong. Call me a liar but the way I see it the trail of bodies killed in the name of Chrisianity is awful long but you say only 5% of believers disagree. Non believers kill each other as well but believers have been given specific instruction, DON'T DO THAT! We of course would not know any better as we have been left to our own devices.
You say the Irish don't fight over religion, Croats and whoever they are trying to kill off and anyone with a jihad against the west are not advancing their beliefs? Then what else is at play here? It is pretty hard to down play religious folks doing one another in in the name of religion.

[Soundbear]

I don't think I change stance but perhaps, my point is/was/will be, you are all right so you must all be wrong. Call me a liar but the way I see it the trail of bodies killed in the name of Chrisianity is awful long but you say only 5% of believers disagree. Non believers kill each other as well but believers have been given specific instruction, DON'T DO THAT! We of course would not know any better as we have been left to our own devices.
You say the Irish don't fight over religion, Croats and whoever they are trying to kill off and anyone with a jihad against the west are not advancing their beliefs? Then what else is at play here? It is pretty hard to down play religious folks doing one another in in the name of religion.

"...believers have been given specific instruction, DON'T DO THAT!"

Do you see the contradiction in that statement??

It's almost like saying you're a baseball player who kicks the ball.

[RWGR]

Just occured to me to laugh out loud.

Some folks desparately want this to be real, but they reject that other ancient text outright, the bible!!!

Good point.

It takes more faith to be Atheist than it does to be Christian.

[Bluesky]

I don't think I change stance but perhaps, my point is/was/will be, you are all right so you must all be wrong. Call me a liar but the way I see it the trail of bodies killed in the name of Chrisianity is awful long but you say only 5% of believers disagree. Non believers kill each other as well but believers have been given specific instruction, DON'T DO THAT! We of course would not know any better as we have been left to our own devices.
You say the Irish don't fight over religion, Croats and whoever they are trying to kill off and anyone with a jihad against the west are not advancing their beliefs? Then what else is at play here? It is pretty hard to down play religious folks doing one another in in the name of religion.

I hear what you're saying. There is no way I am going to defend the fact that some Christians (professing or otherwise) are lower than a snake's belly. We deserve the rap you give us, no question.
And I would never call you a liar, unless you were blatantly lying. You know me better than that, I hope.

But follow a bit more precisely to what I took issue with. The statement "We agree for the most part on what belongs in the Bible" is NOT the same as claiming to be at peace with one another.
Or that we agree in our interpretations of the Bible. Do you see the difference?

Of course the point you wanted to make is that we by no means get along. And with that I will sadly agree. Are we cool?

[Anapeg]

Cool, you put it very well. Much better than my self.