Why didn't George admit that....

[Soundbear]

The quote:

"Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of **** you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude." - George Carlin


So why didn't George admit it's all man's fault??

[Retsevets]

Umm... he did

[Soundbear]

Umm... he did

Oh, then maybe one of you would use THAT quote as a signature???

[Anapeg]

If this is His best work, it is disappointing. Way too much room for improvement here. Ya ya, it is man's fault, mans doing. He made us. He made everything good as well as bad then sat back and giggled as He assaulted his followers with lines like "you are a sinner, you will never be perfect. Only I (He) am worthy. Odd for a parent to set his beloved child up for a fall and have you Christians say it is mans fault as God gave us free will. Bull.
Where we in the work a day world and this was His best work He would be unemployed and on the dole. Christians say He is all knowing, therefore He knew how this experiment would turn out and let it happen anyway. Perverse in my point of view. If I see my child about to hurt themselves I intervene, not with an ancient book but with authority and in flesh and blood, hands on. I want to see them succeed and won't leave them to founder with a questionable book as guidance. I will be and have been clear as to how to avoid that which is harmful. You do not trust to a book to raise your children. You do not put temptation in the path, you you either remove or diminish it. Sloppy, slip shod workmanship.

[Soundbear]

If this is His best work, it is disappointing. Way too much room for improvement here. Ya ya, it is man's fault, mans doing. He made us. He made everything good as well as bad then sat back and giggled as He assaulted his followers with lines like "you are a sinner, you will never be perfect. Only I (He) am worthy. Odd for a parent to set his beloved child up for a fall and have you Christians say it is mans fault as God gave us free will. Bull.
Where we in the work a day world and this was His best work He would be unemployed and on the dole. Christians say He is all knowing, therefore He knew how this experiment would turn out and let it happen anyway. Perverse in my point of view. If I see my child about to hurt themselves I intervene, not with an ancient book but with authority and in flesh and blood, hands on. I want to see them succeed and won't leave them to founder with a questionable book as guidance. I will be and have been clear as to how to avoid that which is harmful. You do not trust to a book to raise your children. You do not put temptation in the path, you you either remove or diminish it. Sloppy, slip shod workmanship.

But, Anapeg, the atheist like Carlin DOESN'T believe in God. Therefore He must believe that all evil is man made, or at least, man ignoring the plight of his fellow men.

As far as God's work, I see no middle ground. Either man has complete free will, to do whatever he pleases, or he does not. I find it hilarious that the atheist complains that God must do poor work, WHEn HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN GOD. He seems to want it both ways, "It's not man's fault, but if there is a God, He does poor work!!"

BTW, you can't raise children in a bubble. The child who is never allowed to hurt himself will be useless at life.

[Anapeg]

The "If there where a God..............", part is implied. As an agnostic I can not speak to (about) atheists.

[Retsevets]

"Oh, then maybe one of you would use THAT quote as a signature???

Umm...why don't you use a quote from (insert random comedian here) as your signature?

You obviously don't understand what George was getting at with that quote...actually I find it funny how many believers think athiests are angry at or blame god for things.

But, Anapeg, the atheist like Carlin DOESN'T believe in God. Therefore He must believe that all evil is man made, or at least, man ignoring the plight of his fellow men.

that is absolutley correct...humans are mean SOB's however we also are capable of and do wonderful things...so evil is man made...but so is good.

[Soundbear]

IMO, a true "atheist" wouldn't even consider the title. He has no concern about the matter whatsoever, either way, and certainly wouldn't use a signature like Carlin's words. They would mean absolutely nothing.

Only those who are ".. angry at or blame god for things" would bother coming to a forum like this.

Sorry, my opinion.

BTW, George might BE a true "atheist". Any entertainer will say anything at all to get a reaction. What he REALLY believes we will never know.

[lynys]

Comedians tend to use thier personal life experiences as their routine. Louis CK is one who most definitely comes to mind in this instance. I don't know much about Carlin to compare him, but do know he has said time and again he does not believe in God.

[Soundbear]

George is mocking those of faith, or as he would say, "Those who have not yet reached the age of reason."

"Age of reason" means "my opinion" to him, if he actually believes either way.

Free will doesn't enter into the discussion because our capacities are preprogrammed and behaviour is predetermined.

Pre-determined by who??

If you believe in 1 God, 1 all powerful, all knowing creator, then He is responsible for everything (including all the bad); not man.

I suppose He created the possibilities, but man, with free will, is still responsible for his own actions, always has been, and always will be, regardless of his beliefs

[Soundbear]

That's one of the great mysteries about God, that He knows all that will happen, yet gives us free will.

I choose to accept that I can't fully understand how that works. It's where trusting God comes in.

[Anapeg]

That's one of the great mysteries about God, that He knows all that will happen, yet gives us free will.

I choose to accept that I can't fully understand how that works. It's where trusting God comes in.

This is a line I question yourself and others on and am told "I don't remember saying that". Sometimes you simply have to trust. I do trust, I trust me and my senses.

[Bluesky]

Anapeg. Me too. But my senses told me there was more than what can be perceived by the five senses.

My senses saw and smelled a rose. But I wondered what sense it was that taught me to appreciate what I saw and smelled. That sense of wonder leads me still

[theShadow]

I wonder how Joe Pesci felt about George's beliefs?

[The Voice]

IMO, a true "atheist" wouldn't even consider the title. He has no concern about the matter whatsoever, either way, and certainly wouldn't use a signature like Carlin's words. They would mean absolutely nothing.

Only those who are ".. angry at or blame god for things" would bother coming to a forum like this.

Sorry, my opinion.

BTW, George might BE a true "atheist". Any entertainer will say anything at all to get a reaction. What he REALLY believes we will never know.

I find it an afront to my Ideals that you would even pretend to know what it is to be an athiest.

It may be your opinion but I do not agree.

[Soundbear]

I still don't know what your ideals are.

[Light_Keeper]

OK Here is my 2cents.
There is difinetly a Creator, known to all by many different names, still 1 Being created all.
There is part of "GOD" the Creator within each of us. We all posse a spark of the Creator.
It is us who are failing our world, fightening over which relgion is the "true"one, and forcing others to belive in one set of ideals.

It is time for we the people of the Earth, to STOP this insane morbid fighting, and trust in ourselves to come together and create a peaceful, caring Global Society. Why must we attack that which is different than us? Why must we believe that we are right and every other person or nation is wrong??
Are we afraid, that we might learn something new about ourselves or, are assumptions of others have been wrong?
It is time for Peace and Love and Respect to rule this planet before humans destroy it.

[Bluesky]

Why must we believe that we are right and every other person or nation is wrong??

Try to answer this question yourself. You believe you are right, don't you? Doesn't that automatically mean I am wrong in your view?
Do you not believe that all religions who do not hold to your view are wrong?

[Light_Keeper]

Try to answer this question yourself. You believe you are right, don't you? Doesn't that automatically mean I am wrong in your view?
Do you not believe that all religions who do not hold to your view are wrong?

No, I donot believe that my beliefs or ideas are "right" for you, I dont believe at all in religion.
I believe everyone has a Right" to their ideals and the religious affilations. Just because I believe different fom you and others, dosnot make me or you right or wrongjust different. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being different. Who knows, we might have some ideas that are the same and/or similar, unfortunately we will never know because you assume to know my thoughts.

[Soundbear]

"I believe everyone has a Right to their ideals..."

How does law fit into that??