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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    "Hitler's argument was that one cannot be both a German and a Catholic at the same time."

    It's easy to make a person look evil. One has only to pick and choose from the facts.
    It is not easy to make one look evil unless one has been evil, then the facts speak for themselves. You cannot be made to look evil if you in fact have not been. It is your actions that make all things possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anapeg View Post
    It is not easy to make one look evil unless one has been evil, then the facts speak for themselves. You cannot be made to look evil if you in fact have not been. It is your actions that make all things possible.
    Sorry, don't believe it. The selective telling, exageration, and repetition of "facts" is the best way to lie known to man.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    Sorry, don't believe it. The selective telling, exageration, and repetition of "facts" is the best way to lie known to man.
    Wow, now to the critical thinking person this is very telling indeed of the human nature.

    I am guessing that you don't even see how this works against you?

    Did you even click on the link, it is about Pius XII not Hitler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Voice View Post
    Wow, now to the critical thinking person this is very telling indeed of the human nature.

    I am guessing that you don't even see how this works against you?

    Did you even click on the link, it is about Pius XII not Hitler.
    I read right through it, even quoted it.

    And I stand by my opinion.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    Sorry, don't believe it. The selective telling, exageration, and repetition of "facts" is the best way to lie known to man.
    OK then, on too how this works against you and the freedom of religion.

    There are people on this board that are Avowed Atheists it is there RIGHT in Canada to think this way.

    They would contend that this post is also an argument that the telling of the christ lie has been told so many times that it is now accepted as truth by christian's.

    My next question is, would be do you consider this statement to be blasphemous or not?
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    No, not blasphemous.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    Sorry, probably not.
    Actually this is priceless.

    Apparently The Hague does Indict popes for crimes against humanity.

    http://jp2m.blogspot.ca/2011/04/top-...-popes-in.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Voice View Post
    Actually this is priceless.

    Apparently The Hague does Indict popes for crimes against humanity.

    http://jp2m.blogspot.ca/2011/04/top-...-popes-in.html

    This completly blows away any credibility to this site:

    "Look closely at these natural evil eyes of Benedict XVI."

    What a joke!!

    Curious, on a similar matter, do you think the President of Penn State should be accused in exactly the same manner??
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Voice View Post
    ...... the telling of the christ lie has been told so many times that it is now accepted as truth by christian's.

    ....
    Perhaps you've never heard this argument.

    It is said that a person will die for a lie, and anyone contesting the witness and testimony of the apostles would say that they did.

    The problem is that no one will die for a lie, WHEN THEY KNOW IT IS A LIE!!

    And yet 11 of the 12 apostles DID die violent deaths in support of the story of Christ, a story they would have known to be true or false.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    Curious, on a similar matter, do you think the President of Penn State should be accused in exactly the same manner??
    If he new what was going on and did either nothing or worse hid the fact then YES, nail him!
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    I hope you see my point. The head of ANY organization with criminals in it should be suspect in exactly the same way.

    But nobody here even KNOWS the head of, say, Penn State, or the Boy Scouts etc
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    Have a look at that blog Voice mentions.

    Its hilarious!!
    more than one way to skin a cat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    I hope you see my point. The head of ANY organization with criminals in it should be suspect in exactly the same way.

    But nobody here even KNOWS the head of, say, Penn State, or the Boy Scouts etc
    The two and even more choose not to seek notoriety in the same way the Pope does.
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    Perhaps you've never heard this argument.

    It is said that a person will die for a lie, and anyone contesting the witness and testimony of the apostles would say that they did.

    The problem is that no one will die for a lie, WHEN THEY KNOW IT IS A LIE!!

    And yet 11 of the 12 apostles DID die violent deaths in support of the story of Christ, a story they would have known to be true or false.
    Do you believe that the 911 Hijackers are martyrs?

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    Do you believe that the 911 Hijackers are martyrs?
    Nope.

    Some might.

    But you are not talking about the same thing at all.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    Nope.

    Some might.

    But you are not talking about the same thing at all.
    They died a violent death.

    Did they die for a lie?

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    I trust you understand the scenario of the apostles and early Christians and what they knew and saw about Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection. All of the Christian faith depends on this one event.

    Now expalin how your "martyrs" question has anything to do with this.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    They died for a lie I don't need to explain anything else.

    If you don't get it, don't worry about it.

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