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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    I think you are having trouble interpreting just what Maslow means.

    Check your reference, the one you showed me. Employment is listed under safety. safety is a need, is it not, according to Maslow??

    And we are NOT talking about direct physical safety here, or about modes of transportation.
    I think YOU are the one who does not understand.... Safety is a need, this means safety in any way, such as in employment, school, day to day life, playing tennis etc... Employment is simply one of the conditions safety is a need, just because the word "employment" was there, does not mean it suddenly becomes a need. There are only 5 needs, physiological, security, love or belonging, Esteem, and self actualization.
    physiological: Things you need to do to keep your body functioning such as breathing, eating, water etc...
    Security: The need to feel safe, to be free from danger, actual, or perceived. such as safety from rabid animals, safety from a tsunami, hurricane, boogy man under the bed
    "Love" or belonging: Love cannot be operationally defined, so belonging is more popular professionally, "Love" is simply laymen's terms. The need to belong to groups, and to formulate deep, meaningful bonds and relationships.
    Esteem: A feeling of self worth, and worth of others
    Self actualization: An understanding of self, or to be more comfortable with yourself
    The last two needs are often ongoing processes that are never completely met, the need is to be in the process of developing them.
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    When (not if) gas for my work truck is no longer available, my employment will be jeopardized. When that happens, my safety will be diminished.

    My take on it.
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    109 in t bay.greedy, greedy, greedy.
    And awayy we go,,,,,,,,,,,

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    i was also informed that there is a 10 cent per liter difference on the tbay reserves...wish we had the same here

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    its often more like 15 cents, they only have bio blend for diesel tho, my truck didnt like it as much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    When (not if) gas for my work truck is no longer available, my employment will be jeopardized. When that happens, my safety will be diminished.

    My take on it.
    Please explain how your safety is diminished in this case....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingqueen View Post
    Please explain how your safety is diminished in this case....
    If SB loses his business because he cannot haul equipment to a job, or even show up because he can't put gas in his truck, then he loses the ability to keep a roof over his and his family's heads -- that's a safety issue.

    A modern, productive society needs oil and gas to function. What point are you trying to make?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDawg View Post
    If SB loses his business because he cannot haul equipment to a job, or even show up because he can't put gas in his truck, then he loses the ability to keep a roof over his family's heads. A modern, productive society needs oil and gas to function.

    What point are you trying to make?
    He does not loose the ability to keep a roof over his family's head.
    My point is (you know like I've been saying the whole time, reading can be hard I guess) that fuel operates at supply and demand, there is no need for gov't intervention, we want the product and are willing to pay the prices, they offer. It is no more greedy than anyone else who wants to make more money, you want a raise? you're just as greedy. Supply and demand.
    Now, Soundbear perceives not having a vehicle as a risk to his safety, well, he must determine his cost/benefit ratio, are the costs equal to the benefits? but it is not up to anyone to subsidize his perception of what he needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingqueen View Post
    He does not loose the ability to keep a roof over his family's head.
    My point is (you know like I've been saying the whole time, reading can be hard I guess) that fuel operates at supply and demand, there is no need for gov't intervention, we want the product and are willing to pay the prices, they offer. It is no more greedy than anyone else who wants to make more money, you want a raise? you're just as greedy. Supply and demand.
    Now, Soundbear perceives not having a vehicle as a risk to his safety, well, he must determine his cost/benefit ratio, are the costs equal to the benefits? but it is not up to anyone to subsidize his perception of what he needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDawg View Post
    Is it farther to Toronto, or by bus?
    I'm not sure I understand your question...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingqueen View Post
    He does not loose the ability to keep a roof over his family's head....
    I can only presume you mean welfare will kick in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    I can only presume you mean welfare will kick in.
    There is that, or you could do a different job.
    Luckily we do have fuel, you just have to weigh the costs and the benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingqueen View Post
    ..... or you could do a different job.
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    Just the flip answer I expected. Easy to say when one's job just requires a warm bum in a chair and there's little at home to support. Many ot the rest of us don't work and live like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    Just the flip answer I expected. Easy to say when one's job just requires a warm bum in a chair and there's little at home to support. Many ot the rest of us don't work and live like that.
    I know people that work 3 jobs to support themselves, mostly because they have to, but how your generation made life near impossible for my generation is not the topic here, If you want to discuss that or my "warm bum in a chair" feel free to open a new thread.

    It is clear you can't see the point I am making, I didn't really expect you to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDawg View Post
    If SB loses his business because he cannot haul equipment to a job, or even show up because he can't put gas in his truck, then he loses the ability to keep a roof over his and his family's heads -- that's a safety issue.

    A modern, productive society needs oil and gas to function. What point are you trying to make?
    Take the gas and oil out of the picture, and society will collapse? Don't think so.
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    Hans, you'll have to define your terms of reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingqueen View Post
    I know people that work 3 jobs to support themselves, mostly because they have to, but how your generation made life near impossible for my generation is not the topic here, If you want to discuss that or my "warm bum in a chair" feel free to open a new thread.

    It is clear you can't see the point I am making, I didn't really expect you to.
    Why, are you getting obtuse lessons somewhere??

    I know people that work three jobs too. My point was that if all you have to take to work is your arse, your job is quite different from mine.

    And if my gerneration has the drive to do many different kinds of work, that's not my fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    Take the gas and oil out of the picture, and society will collapse? Don't think so.
    You don't??

    Here's a little stat for you. 18 to 19 percent of the cost of EVERYTHING is transportation. If those things can't be transported because there's no gas, what happens??

    I suspect you have the same kind of job as DQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    Why, are you getting obtuse lessons somewhere??

    I know people that work three jobs too. My point was that if all you have to take to work is your arse, your job is quite different from mine.

    And if my gerneration has the drive to do many different kinds of work, that's not my fault.
    No, I have clearly stated my point numerous times. And your generation's ability to walk into a place and say "Hi I want a job" and getting one is not the topic of this thread, if you want to discuss the differences in getting work and skills back then to these days, please start a new thread,

    You and so many like you support socialism to be applied to things when it suits you, but abhor it when it comes to day to day living.
    how hypocritical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundbear View Post
    You don't??

    Here's a little stat for you. 18 to 19 percent of the cost of EVERYTHING is transportation. If those things can't be transported because there's no gas, what happens??

    I suspect you have the same kind of job as DQ.
    So what was the cost of everything before transportation by vehicles powered by oil or gas? More than 18-19% ?
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