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    I was wondering if anyone saw this interview with Russell Brand, a comedian who speaks his mind about politics in this interview with Jeremy Paxman. It's gone viral on Youtube with 6 million hits. I was just wondering what everyone thinks of his slant on things. I don't like him as a comedian but he did hit on some things that some people like myself relate to.

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    A bit of a low point for the BBC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stupefied View Post
    A bit of a low point for the BBC.


    Brand is proof that drugs are bad.

    Care to elaborate? He does makes some good points in his rant

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    I thought Brand was quite intelligent in the interview. From a lot of the responses I've seen about this interview online, he's definitely got a lot of people interested in his way of thinking.
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    You two were obviously dazzled, I was just baffled. The only good point he made was near the beginning when he said he knows nothing about politics.

    Tell me what I missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stupefied View Post

    Tell me what I missed.
    You're on your own. ;-) I just posted it to view responses. Nothing more. As for me, I'm not dazzled.. I just found him intelligent and for a lack of a better term, honest. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by stupefied View Post
    You two were obviously dazzled, I was just baffled. The only good point he made was near the beginning when he said he knows nothing about politics.

    Tell me what I missed.
    Did you just watch the first 30 seconds and forget what you were doing? You came to say that it was a low point for the BBC but you can't articulate why that is. I think you make a better case for the dangers of drugs than Brand does.

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    Other than the not voting, spot on. Level headed, concise, eloquent and intelligently thought out and offered up. I do wish he would grab his soap box and kick some collective ass here in Canada.
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    Level headed, OK

    Well, I was busy being a drug addict at that point because I’m come from the kind of social conditions that are exacerbated by an indifferent system that really just administrates for large corporations and ignores the population it was voted in to serve...

    I think a socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution wealth, heavy taxation of corporations and massive responsibility for energy companies and any companies exploiting the environment. I think the very concept of profit should be hugely reduced. David Cameron says, ‘profit isn’t a dirty word,’ I say, ‘profit is a filthy word,’ because wherever there is profit there is also deficit
    I'd like one example of where socialism has proven to be a superior alternative to democracy/capitalism.

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    I offer no solutions. ;-) I posted this video to simply learn where people, the left, the right, the middle or otherwise, stand with Brand's opinion. Brand is saying what a lot of people feel in that the current system is not working and hasn't worked in years. I just want to see everyone's view on it and learn from it. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by stupefied View Post
    I'd like one example of where socialism has proven to be a superior alternative to democracy/capitalism.
    Good luck with that
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    Quote Originally Posted by stupefied View Post
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    I'd like one example of where socialism has proven to be a superior alternative to democracy/capitalism.
    First of all, socialism is 'democracy', if the majority of voters opt for socialist ideas within a campaign agenda.

    Second, both the US and Canada are built upon a socialist/capitalist hybrid foundation. Merging the two ideas is what creates a stable, fair society, in which people can still prosper and build wealth, while others are assured of a basic standard of life.

    So in North America, you can't point to an example of where socialism is superior to capitalism, any more than you can point to an example where capitalism is superior to socialism. Either idea, standing completely alone, would lead to disaster.
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    Campaign agenda? I highly doubt "voters" chose for Stalin, Castro, and whoever runs China these days based on socialist ideas.
    They all came about from a form of uprising, and once they had power abandoned voting and democratic processes in order to stay in power for long periods of time.

    Socialism does not work because those who are in power end up with all the wealth.
    The same is true for capitalism.
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    I'm afraid you are confusing socialism with communism. There is a difference between the two.
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    Which is what?
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    In communism, private ownership of property is not allowed, and the State provides for individuals, based on need.

    In socialism, private ownership of property is allowed, and people are rewarded based on input, rather than need.

    If the country you live in has Crown Land, or Federal Land, you live in a socialist state. If everything was owned by individuals rather than governments, you would have a purely capitalist state.

    Canada and the US are socialist/capitalist hybrids. Some land is owned by the government, some is owned by individuals. Some social functions are run by the State, some are run by private corporations.

    The different mixes of socialist/capitalist hybrid is what separates Canada from the US, but they are the same systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Left Sock View Post
    In socialism, private ownership of property is allowed, and people are rewarded based on input, rather than need.
    So you are saying that Cuba is a socialist government?
    Why are you hiding behind a username?

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    Some are being deliberately obtuse. What is to be gained from feigned stupidity? Communism of course is a much more closed and severe 'form' of socialism. In Communism civil liberties are suspended and any "goodies" have to filter through to the masses resulting in a very disparaging class system and a lower class of disposable flotsam and jetsam at the bottom. In Socialism the wealth is more shared and for those who cannot or will not fend for themselves are not left to starve thereby limiting the living in filth and squalor. Neither is a perfect system with Communism being terrible to most sensibilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Left Sock View Post

    In socialism, private ownership of property is allowed, and people are rewarded based on input, rather than need.
    Hmmmm, that seems to be a stretch

    Yes, private ownership is allowed, in some cases; but to say people are rewarded by input is wrong. Rewarding input is a purely capitalistic adventure. Socialism by its very nature attempts to take away the "reward by input" factor. People work for the good of the state, which then doles out the 'goods' as it sees fit.

    Communism: no private ownership; to each according to his need

    Socialism: limited private ownership; rewards are highly regulated by the state, and the state doles out a vast majority of the 'pie' as it sees fit

    Capitalism: Unencumbered private ownership; to each according to his input
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    Canadians are limited it what they might own? I think not, for proof you offer what exactly? We are by your admission a socialist state so clarification lays squarely on your shoulders. While I am not even by my standards a member of the "middle" class we posses 4 vehicles, a home, a couple of thousand acres of choice Northern Ontario wilderness, not to mention dish's, bedding, some food and a half book of dry match's.
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