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    So as not to derail a thread in the religion section, the following claim was made by none other than The Berean:
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    Mother Nature dislike gays too.
    I am interested how one can come to this conclusion.
    This claim borders on hate speech, but more importantly is a guise used by religious people to say "It's okay to express disapproval about one's sexuality, after all it's not me, but some unknown entity that we can neither argue, nor discuss with that holds these views. I'm just the innocent messenger."

    How does a faceless, nameless, bodyless force like or dislike someone or something?
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    You reach an interesting conclusion from very few facts.

    I assume you recognize a metaphor?? The term "Mother Nature" is such a literary term. Furthermore, It was used instead of any reference to a deity.

    The phrase simply means that the natural phenomenon known as survival of the fittest applies to those who do not or cannot reproduce.

    If you consider a perfectly logical, non-religious statement to be hate speech, then I apologize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    You reach an interesting conclusion from very few facts.

    I assume you recognize a metaphor?? The term "Mother Nature" is such a literary term. Furthermore, It was used instead of any reference to a deity.

    The phrase simply means that the natural phenomenon known as survival of the fittest applies to those who do not or cannot reproduce.

    If you consider a perfectly logical, non-religious statement to be hate speech, then I apologize.
    I said it borders on hate speech, there is a difference. Now care to clarifying how you came to this conclusion rather than trying to back peddle your way out of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingqueen View Post
    I said it borders on hate speech, there is a difference. Now care to clarifying how you came to this conclusion rather than trying to back peddle your way out of it?
    Back pedal?? Why??

    Homosexuals don't typically pass on their genes to their children. That's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    Back pedal?? Why??

    Homosexuals don't typically pass on their genes to their children. That's all.
    Moving the goal posts.
    Survival of the fittest is about more than just passing your genes on.

    Passing one's genes is about evolution, to pass on your survivability to future generations, survival of the fittest becomes irrelevant when one dies.

    So please, explain how it is that nature as a whole does not like the gays.
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    Berean's comment was an embarrassment to most people, please do not, in any way, associate us with him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristotle View Post
    Berean's comment was an embarrassment to most people, please do not, in any way, associate us with him
    Now THAT is funny!!!
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    I'm afraid you have to lie in the bed you made, friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingqueen View Post
    Moving the goal posts.
    Survival of the fittest is about more than just passing your genes on.

    Passing one's genes is about evolution, to pass on your survivability to future generations, survival of the fittest becomes irrelevant when one dies.

    So please, explain how it is that nature as a whole does not like the gays.
    Sorry, you seem to be the one moving the goalposts. Survival of the fittest is indeed about passing on the best genes, those most likely to enable the species to continue to thrive and "evolve" and become stronger.

    The intelligence and physical abilities of one who does not reproduce are lost to the species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristotle View Post
    I'm afraid you have to lie in the bed you made, friend
    Not a problem.
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    I have a son. He inherited the musical and vocal abilities of me, my parents, and those of his mother, and her parents, and on back through the generations..

    He will pass his genes on to his children, and all those he and they come into contact with will benefit from those abilities, on into future generations.

    When people have offspring, this is the normal state of affairs. When they do not, those abilities and gifts are lost to human kind. If there are any positive aspects to the genetic structure of a human being, those are not retained in the species if the person does not reproduce.
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    If you think about it in a perfectly logical sense, Mother Nature adores gay people.

    Think about it. Gay people have little chance of reproducing, which goes completely against Darwin's Theory of Evolution. According to Darwin, homosexuality should have been extinct long ago. But yet, in every generation of humans, there is a stable percentage of gay people born. Natural Selection does not support such a truth, gay people have little hope of passing down their genes, so there should be no continuity or consistency with homosexuality among humans. Yet, they are still with us.

    The only conclusion I can draw is that Mother Nature adores diversity. If someone has a better explanation for why gay people persevere in defiance of Evolution, I'm all ears.

    (of course, Buddhists have a very plausible explanation for homosexuality, but I'll keep that on reserve).
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Left Sock View Post
    If you think about it in a perfectly logical sense, Mother Nature adores gay people.

    Think about it. Gay people have little chance of reproducing, which goes completely against Darwin's Theory of Evolution. According to Darwin, homosexuality should have been extinct long ago. But yet, in every generation of humans, there is a stable percentage of gay people born. Natural Selection does not support such a truth, gay people have little hope of passing down their genes, so there should be no continuity or consistency with homosexuality among humans. Yet, they are still with us.

    The only conclusion I can draw is that Mother Nature adores diversity. If someone has a better explanation for why gay people persevere in defiance of Evolution, I'm all ears.

    (of course, Buddhists have a very plausible explanation for homosexuality, but I'll keep that on reserve).
    "But yet, in every generation of humans, there is a stable percentage of gay people born."

    Can never prove that has been the case.

    Why they are still appearing is another subject.
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    "Can never prove that has been the case."

    A huge volume of scientific research into the subject tends to disagree with you.
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    Ancient Greece, ancient Rome, ancient Egypt.... homosexuality was widespread and common. Nothing has changed, except society's efforts to control or punish them.

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that every generation since ancient Egypt has produced a stable population of gay people. All the persecution in the world does nothing to stop it. Even in countries that hand out the death penalty for homosexuals, they still exist.

    So, Christianity has been around for roughly 2000 years. Gay people are still among us. Obviously, Christianity is not a 'cure' for homosexuality, so maybe it's time to spend a little more energy on understanding, and less on judgment? Just an idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Left Sock View Post
    Ancient Greece, ancient Rome, ancient Egypt.... homosexuality was widespread and common. Nothing has changed, except society's efforts to control or punish them.

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that every generation since ancient Egypt has produced a stable population of gay people. All the persecution in the world does nothing to stop it. Even in countries that hand out the death penalty for homosexuals, they still exist.

    So, Christianity has been around for roughly 2000 years. Gay people are still among us. Obviously, Christianity is not a 'cure' for homosexuality, so maybe it's time to spend a little more energy on understanding, and less on judgment? Just an idea.
    i agree with all of this, but it has little to do with the original premise. Gays don't reproduce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Left Sock View Post
    "Can never prove that has been the case."

    A huge volume of scientific research into the subject tends to disagree with you.
    I'll have fun with this on some other topic!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristotle View Post
    Berean's comment was an embarrassment to most people, please do not, in any way, associate us with him
    It is a shame that there are so few wise Christians. You and few others are exceptions to my general opinion of religion. It's a shame, but opinions do tend to be based off of the majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    Sorry, you seem to be the one moving the goalposts. Survival of the fittest is indeed about passing on the best genes, those most likely to enable the species to continue to thrive and "evolve" and become stronger.

    The intelligence and physical abilities of one who does not reproduce are lost to the species.

    Look at the original post.
    Now look at this comment.
    Then back at the original post.
    Now back to this post.
    Sadly, this post is unrelated to the original post,
    but if you stopped moving the goalposts every time you got called on your B.S you may be able to expand your thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingqueen View Post
    Look at the original post.
    Now look at this comment.
    Then back at the original post.
    Now back to this post.
    Sadly, this post is unrelated to the original post,
    but if you stopped moving the goalposts every time you got called on your B.S you may be able to expand your thinking.
    I also clarified, without IMO, moving the goalposts, "The phrase simply means that the natural phenomenon known as survival of the fittest applies to those who do not or cannot reproduce."

    You can CALL BS every time somebody disagrees with you, that's up to you.
    My apologies if defending seems defensive!!

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