He claims to be Jesus-tonight -10 pm

[Larimar]

channel 12, this religious preacher claims to be Jesus, I'll be watching and cringing at the thought that this guy has an ego big enough to claim he's THAT important.
Well, we shall see.
don't forget to watch!

[Larimar]

I watched it, and I have to say he gave me the chills. It's very frightening to see the power he has over these peoples minds.
I think it takes spiritual values- that a lot of people now hold and misguides people using it as a half truth.
(Like he claims it's okay to indulge in sin b.c there's no hell or punishment-Well of course not all people believe in the same sort of consequences, but I also don't want people to think what he is preaching is the same as spiritualist views b.c it's really not haha-I for one believe in afterlife consequences whether through self punishment or reincarnation-but not really the point of my post lol. But you see him around women wearing revealing clothing, people gambling, drinking, and smoking..with no cares at all.. )
It's also scary this man is getting ppl to tattoo 666 on themselves. I've got mixed feelings on this-as I don't buy into giving a number a powerful negative energy over me, but its eary...I dunno.



The followers give him thousands even millions of dollars.
This "Jesus" walks around with a rolex and an expensive car. He says he must keep these gifts, it' rude to give them away.
Not something I would believe Jesus would say at all.
I doubt anyone will argue he would give them to the needy/poor and go on his way.
This man scares me, and it seems like a cult.

I feel sorry for the children he's targeted.





I don't know how to explain it, but this man does not seem to be a good person.

what are your views?

If you havn't heard of him please watch

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M_kIM9WRCFM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GJTtB9BzpaI

[1337]

Dreamspirit, most religions beleive that Jesus will return.

So are you going to say that when he does return?

Or you going to be like the Jewish, and prosecute him for claiming he's the son of god?

What if he "IS" Jesus.... ?????

What if we make the mistake again and kill him???

Its thinking like that, that makes me laugh at the church and religion.

[1337]

P.s., not bashing you.

But how can we tell whos Jesus and who isn't? Who are we to beleive?

If he is returning, what shape or form will he come in? Maybe its a test?

[The Berean]

Cut him.

If he bleeds, he aint.

[Larimar]

T-Pot, I would use common sense, wouldnt you?- For one Jesus didn't seem to be materialistic, in fact didn't he tell his followers to rid themselve of material? or am I mistaken?
Would Jesus keep gold in his possession or would he help the poor?
This man would rather keep million dollar gifts than to help the poor. Is that the real Christ? I doubt it.
I'm not saying people shouldnt make money to live(security, food, home, all that' important), but when you are claiming to be a huge thing like a God or God's son, you would think they'd not need such luxuries, and would tell people to give their extremely expensive gifts to the needy, as a way to honour God. He does not. He lives MORE than comfortably.

Jesus also rose with his own body, did he not?
Will he be returning with his own body or will he put it away for safe keeping?
lol. Seriously though, there is something not right about this man. If we are speaking of Christians, who believe in the second comming of Christ the bible also tells that there's going to be ppl branded with 666-and I don't remember that being a positive sign????

well, that's my humble opinion [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

Who knows.

[Larimar]

But yeah, I can't claim to "know" but my intuition tells me something is fishy. I think it' alway possible he may have had a purpose as a sort of prophet or maybe teacher(b.c he claims to have had visions...but maybe he's not even following them himelf..who knows) -but I think he let money go to his head. That's all I think, but again, I don't know and I can only say what I feel...

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DreamSpirit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">T-Pot, I would use common sense, wouldnt you?- For one Jesus didn't seem to be materialistic, in fact didn't he tell his followers to rid themselve of material? or am I mistaken?
Would Jesus keep gold in his possession or would he help the poor?
This man would rather keep million dollar gifts than to help the poor. Is that the real Christ? I doubt it.
I'm not saying people shouldnt make money to live(security, food, home, all that' important), but when you are claiming to be a huge thing like a God or God's son, you would think they'd not need such luxuries, and would tell people to give their extremely expensive gifts to the needy, as a way to honour God. He does not. He lives MORE than comfortably.

Jesus also rose with his own body, did he not?
Will he be returning with his own body or will he put it away for safe keeping?
lol. Seriously though, there is something not right about this man. If we are speaking of Christians, who believe in the second comming of Christ the bible also tells that there's going to be ppl branded with 666-and I don't remember that being a positive sign????

well, that's my humble opinion [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

Who knows. </div></div>

But perhaps Jesus is testing all of his subjects by doing this, seeing if they would truely follow him, it is a day and age of materialisim, would that not be a fitting test?
Like T-pot, I am not trying to bash you because I am familiar with the way you belive, but I think that if Jesus said he was going to come back, how would we know in what form?

And ConKat, I'm pretty sure Jesus bleed when he was in mortal form, infact I belive the bible reports quite alot of blood from Jesus when he was crusified....

I can't believe you guys are arguing about whether this is Jesus or not?!!

He is a charlatan, plain and simple. He recognized that there are many gullible people around with money, and there is money to be made with religion.

This is an area (the religious arena) where a con can actually filch money off of people without committing fraud.

Look at Benny Hinn. He cannot be indited for anything, because he asks people to believe, and they give him money, yet there is no real healing or miracle work going on... because he does not claim that he does any healing.

[dancingqueen]

so Aydeloof, how will you know if the true Jesus comes from the heavens above? will you be looking for a guy with long hair and sandals? do you honestly excpect this is what he will look like? or do you think when he comes he will just swoop all the good Christians away and destroy the world he created?
I am not actually arguing that he is Jesus simply because I do npt belive in any saviours named Jesus, but I think this is an interesting topic to discuss with the Christians "how will they know when it is the actual Jesus that returns?"

[T_wolfe]

when Jesus comes back people WILL know it!!!!
There will be false prophets claiming to be Jesus.
This is what I believe in and just wanted to share.......

Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect

Matthew 7:15
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves

Matthew 24
Signs of the End of the Age
1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."

3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,'[b] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.

26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]

30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[d]is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

DS, whether I know or not is really not the question.
He claims to know His sheep. (He said, "I know my sheep, and I call them out by name). My security in the faith depends entirely upon Him. So when He comes, He will initiate events/circumstances such that there will be no question.

In fact, the whole world will know, not just believers.

[T_wolfe]

all of these things that Jesus said would happen is happening in the world today......wars, rumors of wars, hatred, nations against nations, famines, earthquakes,storms, floods, ....20 years ago these things happened but not so many in one day....every day there is just not one catastrophy there is many.....birthing pains the bible says, as the time gets closer, so do the pains,........when the time comes everybody will know it....you wont second guess

[dancingqueen]

I have a better understanding now Mr. and Mrs. T_Wolfe, thanks for pointing out this passage.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr. & Mrs. T_wolfe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. </div></div>
This last passage disturbs me about the moral intent of Jesus. If he loved us so much he was willing to die for us, why would he relate to himself as a theif? By hiding himself from man he gains nothing but looses so much people that he loves.
I don't really expect any answers because who can honestly expect to completely understand an almighty being right? I just wanted to pint his out.

[Larimar]

"all of these things that Jesus said would happen is happening in the world today.. "



There's always wars, always natural disasters, famine, and all that -This isn't new and will never be new...
So it would be hard to know which disaster and famine will be the right one..hmm

[T_wolfe]

personally I think that he wanted to use something that we could understand.....if you knew a theif was gonna break into your house at a certain time and day,....you would not go to bed and let him break in...you would be up watching and waiting for him to come, so you would NOT miss him coming......He wants us to be watching for His return, to be ready. So many people today have no hope, nothing to look forward to, no one to love them, as they should be loved. They are truely lonely at heart, because they feel misunderstood. I think we all go through this at one time or another in our lives, some longer than others. I believe that no matter what happens in this world, whether it be bad or good, that I have a hope that is to come, that no one can take that away from me. The love of Jesus and knowing that He will return one day. The use of comparison between Jesus's return and the theif comeing is a metaphor.
and your very welcome DQ ........

[T_wolfe]

I dont beleive there will be a certain one famine or one disaster... it just says that they will get worse....Dream

21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

[Larimar]

but is famine and natural disasters getting worse or do we just think they are b.c we live right now and not back then? I'm just trying to say I don't believe things like that are actually getting worse or that we are living in a time that shows it is.


like, would the black plague and disease spreading all over killing thousands be equal to global warming? greater? less? how do we compare these natural disasters that happen???

Are there more ppl in famine now then there were before?? I just don't think there is..but I could be wrong. I'm not sure, I just don't know about that one part. I can't explain it right sorry.

[Slow]

That's a good point about the Black Plague. It killed about 1/3 of all Europe. If that happened today somewhere along the lines of 260 million Europeans would be wiped out. Think of how we would feel about that.

The people in 1400 had just as much reason, perhaps more, to feel they were about to witness the second coming of Jesus.

[T_wolfe]

I think there are just as much diasters then as there is now....but looking back to the 1950's and then compare it to today.......I think things are going much faster in society now then back then.....and yes ALOT faster than in the days of Jesus. sure they had black plagues and diseases then, but it seems like there are so many more today, and even some of the old ones are coming back....pretty sure I heard on tv earlier this week of a small pox out break in New York.......and it use to be all we had to worry about was floods and tornado's, now it's so much more...and all at once instead of one or two at a time.......I dont know if you keep up with the news.....stuff like the bridge collaspe, the Hurricane that went by Hiwaii and then an off shore earthquake in the same place in 2 days, Hurricane Dean, the miners trapped in Ohio, floods in Ohio and Oklahoma right now over 1,000 people displaced, I think Peru had an earthquake....not for sure......just seems like to me that so much in so little time, and thats not even all the everyday stuff that happens all over, sure things do happen but just seems like to me there is lots more now a days......