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    Pope Francis said Sunday that Christians owe apologies to gays and others who have been offended or exploited by the church, remarks that some Catholics hailed as a breakthrough in the church's tone toward homosexuality.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/26/world/...ays/index.html

    There you go Barry, you can start apologizing now. So can RWGR and Bluesky.
    Your leader says Christians owe an apology.
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    Whose leader??? Not mine. Not Blue's. And RW?? Hmmmm.

    Should we apologize to alcoholics or any other sinner for disagreeing with their lifestyles??

    I don't think so.
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    So tell me who your leader is.
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    Barry, please don't speak for me. Who knows? I might have converted while you weren't looking. NOT!
    But no. He is definitely not my leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    So tell me who your leader is.
    Jesus Christ.
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    The Pope speaks with much greater authority than any Protestant leader, so this is a big deal, no question.

    Now, some Protestants will agree with the Pope. Some won't. Some will be in the wishy-washy middle...

    Why?

    Because Sola Scriptura told them so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Morris View Post
    Whose leader??? Not mine. Not Blue's. And RW?? Hmmmm.

    Should we apologize to alcoholics or any other sinner for disagreeing with their lifestyles??

    I don't think so.
    Repeating the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church about respecting and not discriminating against gays, Pope Francis said that one could condemn certain behavior.

    "One can condemn, but not for theological reasons, but for reasons of political behavior...Certain manifestations are a bit too offensive for others, no?

    "But these are things that have nothing to do with the problem. The problem is a person that has a condition, that has good will and who seeks God, who are we to judge? And we must accompany them well."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RWGR View Post
    Repeating the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church about respecting and not discriminating against gays, Pope Francis said that one could condemn certain behavior.

    "One can condemn, but not for theological reasons, but for reasons of political behavior...Certain manifestations are a bit too offensive for others, no?

    "But these are things that have nothing to do with the problem. The problem is a person that has a condition, that has good will and who seeks God, who are we to judge? And we must accompany them well."
    Who are we to judge??

    How should we as Christians consider any sin??
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    Quote Originally Posted by RWGR View Post
    The Pope speaks with much greater authority than any Protestant leader, so this is a big deal, no question.

    Now, some Protestants will agree with the Pope. Some won't. Some will be in the wishy-washy middle...

    Why?

    Because Sola Scriptura told them so!
    The Roman Catholic CHurch CLAIMS the Pope has authority.

    There IS a difference.

    And of course, not believing that Scripture is wholly true and sufficient allows a denomination to do anything it wants, "led" by a tradition (so called).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Morris View Post
    Jesus Christ.
    I figured you would say that. Do you not have a single person, or maybe even a council of people, who are in charge of your religion?
    I would find it very hard to believe nobody is in charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky View Post
    Barry, please don't speak for me. Who knows? I might have converted while you weren't looking. NOT!
    But no. He is definitely not my leader.
    Interesting. Is your answer the same as Barry's?
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    I am reminded of the child, who wants the parent to cease the lecture, cease the grounding who apologizes not for being sorry rather to achieve peace and be able to get back to business as usual. Other than an official acknowledgment of a deed done oh so many years ago there is little solace. Not only in this case but most others ie the apology to the Natives for Shingwauk. They are a nice gesture but lack substance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    I figured you would say that. Do you not have a single person, or maybe even a council of people, who are in charge of your religion?
    I would find it very hard to believe nobody is in charge.
    Believe it!!! We all look to Christ.

    Do we all see things the same way?? Nope.

    But it's pretty amazing how well we all get along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    Interesting. Is your answer the same as Barry's?

    Have your reading skills deserted you??

    Again??
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    Quote Originally Posted by RWGR View Post
    Repeating the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church about respecting and not discriminating against gays, Pope Francis said that one could condemn certain behavior.

    "One can condemn, but not for theological reasons, but for reasons of political behavior...Certain manifestations are a bit too offensive for others, no?

    "But these are things that have nothing to do with the problem. The problem is a person that has a condition, that has good will and who seeks God, who are we to judge? And we must accompany them well."
    Sin is not a theological reason?? Interesting.

    And, "..a person that has a condition,.."

    Really???

    A curable condition, would you say?? Most "conditions" can be treated. How about this one?

    Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Morris View Post
    Believe it!!! We all look to Christ.

    Do we all see things the same way?? Nope.

    But it's pretty amazing how well we all get along.

    So there is basically nobody in charge in your religious group? I don't believe it. What is this group officially called? I am going to Google it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Morris View Post
    Sin is not a theological reason?? Interesting.

    And, "..a person that has a condition,.."

    Really???

    A curable condition, would you say?? Most "conditions" can be treated. How about this one?

    Interesting.
    Don't tell me you just said you can cure this "condition"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    So there is basically nobody in charge in your religious group? I don't believe it. What is this group officially called? I am going to Google it.
    You do that little thing.

    The bible shows that the "local assembly", ie the local church, is the highest form of government. Terms like "bishop" have been co-opted to create a hierarchy, whn the original word merely described a different aspect of the smae persons job. The along came archbishop, and cardinal and pope, to create EVEN more levels of so-called authority.

    My own church is autonomous, and for mutual support has banded together with nearly 500 churches across Canada that hold the same beliefs. Each of us has their own constitution. There IS no one person "in charge" of all these churches, and though you will find a president of the fellowship, his position is in no way similar to the pope.

    In fact, IMO, the highest position in the local church would be the chairman of the elders board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    Don't tell me you just said you can cure this "condition"?
    Reading comprehension, Hans, work on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    Interesting. Is your answer the same as Barry's?
    I don't know. What was the question again?
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