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    Hi Boom Boom!!

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    Most of these issues are caused by the privatization of healthcare facilities and the healthcare system in general.
    They are mostly run as a business, with insurance carriers also run as a business.

    Over here we got a half and half system, and it's again the main reason why it does not work.
    Long waiting times, lack of medical personnel, still expensive if not covered by the government healthcare.

    Best system is a fully government run healthcare system, with no private insurance carriers and no options in coverage.
    That way it does not have be run like a business, and it can actually function as a healthcare facility.
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    Government would run it like a business
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans View Post
    Most of these issues are caused by the privatization of healthcare facilities and the healthcare system in general.
    They are mostly run as a business, with insurance carriers also run as a business.

    Over here we got a half and half system, and it's again the main reason why it does not work.
    Long waiting times, lack of medical personnel, still expensive if not covered by the government healthcare.

    Best system is a fully government run healthcare system, with no private insurance carriers and no options in coverage.
    That way it does not have be run like a business, and it can actually function as a healthcare facility.
    Yeah, lets talk about losing your house to medical bills.

    Long wait times?? Doctor says, "Take her to the hospital now!" CAT scan wait time?? 3 hours. MRI next day, diagnosis immediate, surgery (waiting to wean off some meds) 13 days later.

    Does ANYBODY understand triage??

    Long wait times?? Sure, if you need to get your nose bobbed.
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    those are for you, Boom boom!!
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    Thanks for posting those little bits of truth, the words "up to".

    In America, medical bills can hit that can cost "up to" losing your home!!
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    Why Canadians Are Increasingly Seeking Medical Treatment Abroad

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0db570d3778ff

    "...Canadian health-care system is far from perfect, and its shortcomings are a hot-button topic..."
    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...or-health-care

    "Canadians could expect to wait 9.8 weeks for medically necessary treatment after seeing a specialist in 2014"

    Medically necessary does not include those on a 1yr+ wait list for knee surgery, or 3 months for diagnostic MRIs that might in fact BE medically necessary depending on what they find. 3 months to get into the MRI, providing you don't get bumped by an emergency, the another couple of weeks to get a report to your doctor, then how long more to get a followup visit.

    As I have said for years, both countries could learn a lot from the other if they were genuinely interested in real access to quality healthcare. This is a topic near and dear to me, having lived in both countries and used both systems. I am well acquainted with the pros and cons of both. The amount of ignorance on both sides about the other country's healthcare is astounding.

    While the Huff post article above makes reference to privilege for those Canadians crossing the border, I know quite a few regular working Joes that have crossed the border and paid cash rather than work modified duty or be off work for the 1 year+ wait time, and better their quality of life. Many others who paid cash for CT, PET or MRI scans and a radiologist report, rather than risk their life waiting months. If they were privileged, it isn't a 1% sort of thing. More of a 75%. Sometimes OHIP chips in after the fact, sometimes not, but I don't know any of them that regretted it. We all know enough cancer victims that "if only they had caught it in time".
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    I have had one of them stay at my house while they were treated at a facility that caters to Canadians and even has an OHIP billing specialist that prepares patient paperwork for reimbursement submittal.
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    And yet the most expensive per capita, without being the best is the USA.

    Make perfect sense to me that a few folks from a country of 30 million would head to a country of 300 million for care, simply because there are MORE facilities.

    And my experience with wait times shows me VERY clearly that extreme examples usually quoted are rare.
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    You guy's need to check what Bernie has to say about health care.

    https://www.facebook.com/senatorsand...KKhlNE&fref=nf
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    I don't listen to insane people ramble, Boom Boom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristotle View Post
    I don't listen to insane people ramble, Boom Boom
    Well, be careful where you go!!

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    Indeed!!

    Patients become activists after living hospital overcrowding horror stories


    “It’s overwhelming the response I’ve received,” said Jamie-Lee Ball, who spent five days on a gurney in hallways at Brampton Civic Hospital. “A lot of people are realizing they can share their stories.”

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    God bless these doctors in Canada

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    I was just watching a CBC report on banking. It would seem Canada, Japan(I believe) and China have the shakiest banking systems in the world according to the BIS.(Bank for International Settlements). We Canadians carry far too much debt when compared to our domestic output. At this point, Canada has moved to cool it's housing industries prices and a few other things but not enough to please the powers that be.
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