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    Religion is following the messanger and Spirituality is following the message. Now with that being said would not either one of those choices be acceptable to a/the Messiah?
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    As far as Christianity is concerned, It is not possible to separate the Message from the messenger. With other faiths, it is. For instance, you do not have to have any affinity to Siddhartha Gautama to be a Buddhist. You just need to practice the principles of Buddhism.

    But the Christian teaching has us actually following Jesus Christ. Christians are referred to as disciples. a disciple, by definition is a follower. Following the messenger enables us to follow the message.
    The heart of the human problem is the problem of the human heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anapeg View Post
    Religion is following the messanger and Spirituality is following the message. Now with that being said would not either one of those choices be acceptable to a/the Messiah?
    Depends if you believe He left behind a church and sacraments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristotle View Post
    Depends if you believe He left behind a church and sacraments.
    If He had, would it not have been Judaism?
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    If He had, would it not have been Judaism?
    No, because Judaism represented the Old Convenant with just a particular group. The New Covenant is for all.

    Catholicism is Judaism after Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristotle View Post
    No, because Judaism represented the Old Covenant with just a particular group. The New Covenant is for all.

    Catholicism is Judaism after Christ.
    Then people began 'interpreting' the Bible and twisting things about to suit themselves, leaving us with the mish-mash we have today to represent the followers of but a supposedly single entity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesky View Post
    As far as Christianity is concerned, It is not possible to separate the Message from the messenger. With other faiths, it is. For instance, you do not have to have any affinity to Siddhartha Gautama to be a Buddhist. You just need to practice the principles of Buddhism.

    But Christian teaching has us actually following Jesus Christ. Christians are referred to as disciples. a disciple, by definition, is a follower. Following the messenger enables us to follow the message.
    Sounds like nitpicking but I follow the thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anapeg View Post
    Sounds like nitpicking but I follow the thought.
    Let me explain further. If the heart of Christianity is to believe that Jesus is the Son of God and died for your sins and mine, then how is it possible to separate the man from the message?

    It is my connection with HIM that makes the difference in Christianity. He IS the message.
    The heart of the human problem is the problem of the human heart.

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