No Fly

[The Berean]

"The more crippling "no fly" list has 45,000 names on it, Wolf reports.
Prior to 9/11, the list had just 16 names, but 44,984 suspects were quickly manufactured to justify the creation of the vast airport security apparatus at God knows what cost to American taxpayers.
One ludicrous "no fly" story concerns John Graham, president of the nonprofit Giraffe Heroes Project, an organization that honors people who stick their necks out. A former government careerist who served in Viet Nam, Graham is an inspired speaker that receives standing ovations from groups such as West Point cadets, yet is kept from flying from his Langley, Wash., base by the National Security Agency. NSA won't tell him why, either. Maybe they have "secret" information on him, too."

"Prior to 9/11, the list had just 16 names, but 44,984 suspects were quickly manufactured..."

Just 16 names??? Shows how ludicrous things have gotten in the "land of the free."

[adigirl]

That's just stupid. I can understand a jump in the list but that is just nuts.

[Soundbear]

If I had a company where my manager told me there were only 16 problems, then one day the plant caught fire, and the next day he tells me there are 44,000 problems, I think I'd fire him.

Was it the next day??
C'mon guys, be fair.

[Soundbear]

I suppose.

But 16 to that huge number doesn't make a lot of sense, even if it took four years.

And the reasons for being on the list don't seem to make much sense either. These people are NOT all terrorists.

No, of course not. And I'm not arguing the fact that it's unfair. That's life though, in a world of terrorism.

You cannot have it both ways. Seems to me if something terrible happened, you'd jump all over the U.S. for not preventing it. Worse yet, you might say Bush even orchestrated it. On the other hand you criticize them for being too cautious.

I'd still rather live in either one of these two countries than anywhere else in the world. Even if my name were Muhammed.

[Return of Too Many Daves]

Yeah, because there was no terrorism before 9/11, or 11/9 as I prefer.

Compared to pre 9/11? very little.
As well, flying bombs had something to do with the no FLY list.
I don't think you'll find a no-train list. Or a No-Greyhound list.

[Soundbear]

How many aircraft hijackings have there been over american soil since 9/11?

Why??

[1337]

How many before?

I think the list is a good idea.

The reason why it went from 16 to 45,000, is because they added all the known terrorists and their affiliates. Possible threats.

There wasn't that many hijackings before 9/11, and the ones that did happen weren't a future threat.

The nature of the 9/11 hijackings leave the doors open for possible future threats.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many aircraft hijackings have there been over american soil since 9/11?

Why?? </div></div>

Why?

I would say there is a little more vigilance now, by both the feds and the airlines.

[Hans]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aydeloof</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, of course not. And I'm not arguing the fact that it's unfair. That's life though, in a world of terrorism.

You cannot have it both ways. Seems to me if something terrible happened, you'd jump all over the U.S. for not preventing it. Worse yet, you might say Bush even orchestrated it. On the other hand you criticize them for being too cautious.

I'd still rather live in either one of these two countries than anywhere else in the world. Even if my name were Muhammed.
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There's not a world of terrorism. That whole idea of war on terrorism is all to often fluffed up by US media and US politicians.
Yes, the terrorists are aiming at US targets and coalition partners.
But that's about it, I have not seen to many terror acts going on anywhere else. Have you?

umm. No.
I guess that settles it then, huh?

[Hans]

Correct, it's a US versus Terrorist thing, not a world versus terrorists.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Correct, it's a US versus Terrorist thing, not a world versus terrorists. </div></div>


...because the U.S. is fighting the scourge of radical terrorism for the rest of the world.

I finished your thought, Hans.

[Soundbear]

I'm pretty sure the war is not Terrorists against the World.

Their targets only include a small number of countries.

right.., that's why Germany caught some terrorists the other daya..

[Hans]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...ror/index.html

2 Germans and a Turk. Sounds like a joke, does it not?
As you can see, Germany thinks there's no imminent treat against the homeland. The US of course thinks they were out to end the world as we know it.


German authorities announced Wednesday they had arrested three men -- two Germans and one Turk -- as they started mixing a massive amount of explosive materials that could have resulted in a stronger explosion than the terror attacks in Madrid in 2004 and London in 2005.

"At this time, there is no credible information telling us of an imminent threat to the homeland, but we do believe that we continue to be in a period of increased risk," he said.

A U.S. counterterrorism official told CNN the the German terror plot was "the real deal," adding that U.S. authorities had been involved since the "earliest stages of the investigation."

[GenX]

So Hans is basically sayiong what's the big deal if they were only going to set off bombs that could kill ONLY 150 people or so?

Gotta' love that European compassion and sensibility.

Is now a good time to thank God for taking away world supremacy from a continent that is (was) wholly irresponsible with it?

[Hans]

What were their targets Speedy?