But...I thought Europe was better than this...

[1337]

Our mediocrity is your jealousy.

You just wish you didn't have to pay for health speedy.

[Crusty]

I'm sure he has insurance ...therefore doesn't pay for health care.

We, on the other hand, probably pay 5 times his premium in taxes directly related to health care every year.

Lower my taxes and I'll take my chances with Blue Cross ... and mabye I would have a doctor.

[Hans]

Insurance costs money, so therefore he is paying for health care.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our mediocrity is your jealousy.

You just wish you didn't have to pay for health speedy. </div></div>

I will gladly pay $17.35 a week for the service I get here than be stuck in that failed system over there.

And that $17.35 I pay is the ultimate package; I can go lower if I so chose (geez, what a concept: letting people choose for themselves). But I chose the plan that covers EVERYTHING under the sun. In fact, it's so comprehensive, I'm not sure what it does NOT cover.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Insurance costs money, so therefore he is paying for health care. </div></div>

Your taxes are astronomical, and send many people scurrying over here to escape such confiscatory taxation.

You, also, are paying for healthcare. The only difference is my government would never assume its people would be so gullible as to accept a false theory called "free healthcare" under a tax system that is just short of brutal, as your system surely is.

Go ahead, give half your yearly wages to government. I'll gladly keep mine, and make my own decisions.

[Return of Too Many Daves]

Just a question Speedy, if you found yourself with a long term health problem, or say had a spinal injury, what would happen to your premiums and how good would welfare support be?

Similarly if you were born with a disorder, how would your insurance be paid for. For example you are an 18 year old with down syndrome?

Honest question, I really don't know. I have preconceived notions, but it would be nice to be wrong.

[GenX]

It all depends on the health carrier. Most people go through Blue Cross/ Blue Shield, which is a non-profit cooperative. The benefits are very good. Also, there is a contractual stipulation with your employer on benefits for such a scenario (though this will depend on your type of job). Lastly, there is Social Security, with kicks in whenever you become unable to work, be the age 25 or 65.

As for people born with a disability, they are taken care of primarily by the State, but also by the Feds through Social Security. Parents of such children also are paid by the State for being the 'caregiver' of the child.

[Return of Too Many Daves]

Well that sounds like social welfare to me. The system is not so different from anywhere else.

The way I see it some countries raise money through insurance, some through taxation, some through a grey area in between. I genuinely believe taxation is the way to go, those who earn more pay more.

But surely this is a separate question to who is making better use of that money, however they get it?

[GenX]

It's social welfare for those who have no choice. What else would one do?

The difference is we get choices as healthy Americans, choices Europeans and Canadians do not get.

[1337]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our mediocrity is your jealousy.

You just wish you didn't have to pay for health speedy. </div></div>

I will gladly pay $17.35 a week for the service I get here than be stuck in that failed system over there.

And that $17.35 I pay is the ultimate package; I can go lower if I so chose (geez, what a concept: letting people choose for themselves). But I chose the plan that covers EVERYTHING under the sun. In fact, it's so comprehensive, I'm not sure what it does NOT cover. </div></div>

You pay $73 a month for your health care for the Ultimate package?

I pay nothing for the ultimate package.

I get a private room, travel and hotel expenses, international coverage, prescriptions, eye care, dental almost at %100.

That is because of the basic coverage from Canada, and my health benefits at work, which I might add is %100 covered by my employer.

Point is, without my work, I can pay $17.35 a week and get the same coverage as you, BUT, if we both pay nothing, I still make out ahead!

You can quote the whiners in here and say they have huge wait times and our health care sucks, but those are the same people that go to the emergancy room for a rash, or a small bump on their head, or a bloody nose. Of course there is going to be long wait times for people who abuse the system. Whenever I had a huge emergancy, or anyone in my family they were seen RIGHT AWAY.

[Soundbear]

Americans have a history of refusing taxes wherever possible, even if there may be benefit to themselves, their children and there fellow Americans.

And the choices we have "lost" are not actually lost, merely put into the hands of our democratically elected leaders. Americans do the same in many areas.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Return of Too Many Daves</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just a question Speedy, if you found yourself with a long term health problem, or say had a spinal injury, what would happen to your premiums and how good would welfare support be?... </div></div>

Simple.

Cut off.

"Sorry, we can't pay for that anymore, you're on your own, it would cost us too much money."

Read the fine print of your agreement VERY carefully.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whenever I had a huge emergancy, or anyone in my family they were seen RIGHT AWAY </div></div>

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Yup, just ask liberal MP Brenda!

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Return of Too Many Daves</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just a question Speedy, if you found yourself with a long term health problem, or say had a spinal injury, what would happen to your premiums and how good would welfare support be?... </div></div>

Simple.

Cut off.

"Sorry, we can't pay for that anymore, you're on your own, it would cost us too much money."

Read the fine print of your agreement VERY carefully. </div></div>

Barry Morris answering questions concerning the American system, when it is pretty obvious he knows little of his own system.

Now THAT is rich!

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Americans have a history of refusing taxes wherever possible, even if there may be benefit to themselves, their children and there fellow Americans.

And the choices we have "lost" are not actually lost, merely put into the hands of our democratically elected leaders. Americans do the same in many areas. </div></div>

Yup, that's how we became arguably the most successful country in the history of mankind, by simply ignoring future generations and refusing to pay taxes.

What an intellectual you are, Morris.

[Hans]

Haha, according to what sources Speedy?

[GenX]

Even a rudimentary knowledge of history will tell you America can be argued to be the most successful country in history.

Don't hate me because I was unfathomably-blessed to be born American, while God chose to test you by making you Belgian.

[Hans]

I think England was far more successful in history.

[Hans]

I will be back later to see how you are doing on your rudimentary history skills.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think England was far more successful in history. </div></div>

England was very successful.

But what it took England 1,000 years to do, America did in 140 years, and did it arguably better.